tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post8481067028139357156..comments2008-01-21T09:38:20.800-05:00AverageBro.comhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03294220544486539239AverageBro@gmail.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-82604339063846686522008-01-21T09:38:20.800-05:002008-01-21T09:38:20.800-05:00with what you know about Hussein Obama today, would you vote for him if he was white?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-50630870738956842472008-01-21T09:27:03.563-05:002008-01-21T09:27:03.563-05:00I heard what he will do for the jail birds, for the poor blacks, for welfare mothers, but what will he do for hard working non violent whites? that are interested bringing the deficit down, education their kids , college tuition fees, gas prices, housing.....ect...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-29655829803984832582008-01-18T11:02:12.791-05:002008-01-18T11:02:12.791-05:00the REAL questions: 1. Are Obama's Civil Rights policies really any different than any other democrat? 2.Will Obama continue the Bush doctrine (defender of capitalism/imperialism)?<BR/><BR/>I say, he wouldn't be at the table if he was trying to make any real changes in the status quo, fake war on terror, imperialist actions, etc. Obama, like everyone else (maybe not Kucinish), will be a corporate President who exploits the working class for the benefit of the plutocracy! He's not getting my vote, I don't vote for my oppressor!Yusufhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04450062413774638653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-79470206977396732662008-01-15T13:16:09.729-05:002008-01-15T13:16:09.729-05:00black jesus refers to the messiah reference in the post. To clarify: As for civil rights, I'm not concerned about her turning a blind eye to the needs of minorities. Perhaps I should have said "worried" instead. I don't think that she would turn a blind eye to the needs of minorities. I don't distrust her judgement nor her intentions on the whole with reguard to civil rights. I don't consider myself immune to the effects of crack, oil and racial profiling.zoopathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-56792299473865303142008-01-15T12:18:05.382-05:002008-01-15T12:18:05.382-05:00Jesus was black, so why call him black Jesus, also there are no J's in his languageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-64818968884673825892008-01-15T12:16:30.108-05:002008-01-15T12:16:30.108-05:00affected, sorryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-13304646997477842502008-01-15T12:12:50.272-05:002008-01-15T12:12:50.272-05:00zack attack why do you feel everytime like whining oh ppl are attacking me? well my family in New York do not like Hillary, they feel she is an opportunist, who flip flops on the issues. Whatever is popular she'll vote for. So ppl who live in Chicago or New YOrk do not like their Senator, so now what/<BR/>And to the AA women above you don't care if she turns a blind eye to our issues? then you must not be effected by crack, oil, or racial profiling, it must be niceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-6404173862646321642008-01-15T12:01:59.326-05:002008-01-15T12:01:59.326-05:00Hi, I've never been to this blog before and I came here from racialicious. I'm an AA woman and at this point I prefer Clinton for the democratic candidate. So when I came her and read the post and some of the comments, it was difficult to get past the very off-putting condescension to understand the actual message. If calling people ignorant by way of laziness and making it seem (at least to me) that an AA not supporting Obama is akin to not knowing the sky is blue is supposed to bring people into the camp good luck with it. It seems to me that the premise is that if you knew Obama's stances, you'd pick Obama. Or that people who don't support Obama are mad that he's not black Jesus. As for "What did Clinton ever do for black people?" question, I'd answer by saying that they didn't turn the country into one big cluster "f" (not to say that Obama, nor anyone could come close to Bush in that arena). I don't expect presidents to "do" things for black people. It would be nice, but we're probably going to have to fix our own problems. I think Obama would do his best job as president in a few more years. My main reasons for liking Hilary is because she is more experienced (as bad as the healthcare plan was I think it was a valuable learning experience) and she knows policy much better than he does (notice I did not say smarter, just more informed on policy). As for civil rights, I'm not concerned about her turning a blind eye to the needs of minorities. Having said that I think the Dems are fortunate to have such relatively good options to choose from and I'd support whoever gets the nomination.zoopathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-35900414703701850332008-01-14T19:59:21.056-05:002008-01-14T19:59:21.056-05:00I agree with much of what you say. I also disagree. I don't think putting things in layman's terms is "spoon-feeding", but if it is, then maybe that's where we need to start. A lot of people don't understand the language or the process by which things happen. There's some personal responsibility that needs to happen, but it's also the failure of an educational industry designed to inculcate obedience to the state (which would have to include making sure people emerge as dumb as posts, otherwise they get all sorts of nasty leveling impulses to make things "equal.")<BR/><BR/>How can I not know what the candidates stand for? Why am I undecided? Because I don't believe them. Any of them. I think they're liars. They lie so that you'll vote for them, and then they're just going to do what they want to do or what they *can* do, which could never be enough to make up for generations of disaffected, unempowered, slack-jawed cretins. Because I believe at least one of them has to fall to some scandal (real or contrived). Because it's early. Because no matter who I vote for, there is a strong likelihood of having to run to the toilet and vomit afterward.<BR/><BR/>Vote for who you want and then let's come together to talk about how we really solve these problems, not the same cycle of blaming the incumbent for the failings of the predecessor (except the current incumbent who is like the devil on crack).<BR/><BR/>Finally, not everybody has a computer with a nifty hook-up to do all the research. Not everybody, especially not all us ostensibly dumb, lazy, spoon-fed laypeople know which sources of information to trust. I try to imagine my 70-year-old mother paging through links on her 24 bps dial-up to learn more about candidates when I had to teach her how to "Reply" to an email, and I feel embarrassed for my generation who apparently think that the entire world knows what Google is. Can we muster a little compassion and stop letting our anger flow through the keyboard to alienate people who *might* actually agree if you hadn't just insulted them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-12884760602612536422008-01-14T19:12:25.357-05:002008-01-14T19:12:25.357-05:00Cool blog. I found you via Racialicious.comSolShine7http://www.blogger.com/profile/06039130895443623988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-83705957554429039232008-01-14T12:14:57.675-05:002008-01-14T12:14:57.675-05:00Alright, zackattack, like Mr. Freeze would say, "Just CHILL". No one's disrespecting your opinion just because they don't agree. It sounds much like I was and still can be at times, where one gets too invested in their political opinion and gets defensive to the point of attacking anyone who utters any disagreement with them.<BR/><BR/>I agree that Senator Obama, as a constituent of his myself, has disappointed me several times as well. To me it's because he's been either unable or unwilling to sway from the party line enough to stand up for either the rights of the minority (and I don't mean the GOP) or against the war in Iraq. The only time I can remember him standing up was to block the nomination of von Spakovsky to the head of the FEC, and that may have had some positive impact on the number of black voters in the upcoming elections but I fear unless the fight is kept strong Bush will or may already have found a time to recess appoint von Spakovsky, making the Senator's stand look frivolous.<BR/><BR/>Now the important point is that when it came to important leadership at elected posts, NONE of the top candidates has really ever shown up. They've either tried and flopped miserably, shown horrible judgment, or been absent. If one wanted to think about past experiences between candidates, to me it could be summed up as: <BR/><BR/>HRC (Failed and bad judgment)<BR/>vs<BR/>Barack Obama (Absent)<BR/>vs<BR/>John Edwards (Bad judgment)<BR/><BR/>Who do you want now?CABhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07249564437232915733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-44795461597648130302008-01-14T06:37:02.340-05:002008-01-14T06:37:02.340-05:00I too wish Barack was more verbally aggressive. But I also believe if he showed this 'attitude' now it might work against him. It wouldn't take long for someone to say how 'threatening' or 'mud slinging' he had become. I'm not sure if that 'misinterpretation' would be a result of his 'blackness', his 'gender', or the two combined. Perhaps he should endure the 'taunting' until he's nominated to face the Republican's choice. I think at that time any 'strong' attacks would be perceived as 'fair game'.cinconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-6336854216226003072008-01-13T19:57:26.199-05:002008-01-13T19:57:26.199-05:00I saw Hillary on Meet The Press too. Man, you gotta give her this: that woman is real good at serving up BS answers and deflecting questions, especially the one about the drug dealer accusation. She is slick, just like her husband. I have no doubt that the crying was a staged ploy , and it worked.<BR/><BR/>America is really, really dumb, most people can't artulate candidates stances because they get caught up on superficial Bullshit. The clintons know this better than anyone, and I think this excessive pandering is why Hillary will ultimately win.<BR/><BR/>Obama needs to stop hoping and go on the offensive. Now!cubenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-79451803640536102462008-01-13T18:53:05.926-05:002008-01-13T18:53:05.926-05:00I watched Hiliary on Meet the Press- she had a lot to say about 'Obama', yet very little to say about what she plans to do. I've yet to be informed about the great things Hiliary has done for the 'Blacks' in New York...neither can I recall how 'Bills' ' terms greatly influenced the Black community. BTW...news channels today had the audacity to allow BET founder speak for Hiliary and against Barack...if what BET represents is an example of how any educated, well informed Blacks believe-she should drop him like a hot potato. The BET network programing is proof enough of how little 'they' want to understand. ..snd she would be destined to lose.cinconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-175394025829364552008-01-13T14:33:25.383-05:002008-01-13T14:33:25.383-05:00okay crazy thing, I live in Las Vegas and went to See Barack Obama speak, I was shocked to see white ppl at the rally supporting him. Las Vegas is considered the Mississippi of the west. I'm wondering what our Hispanic brethern are going to do with their vote, they never stand with us.beantwn chicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-10607986258543739602008-01-13T09:52:29.897-05:002008-01-13T09:52:29.897-05:00zackattack, no one is putting you down. In fact, I rather like the fact that you, as one of Senator Obama's constiuents, have information on which to base your decision. The point of AB's comments is that there is a majority of black folks that don't have any basis for making comments on "what Obabma has done or is going to do for blacks". The difference between you and these people is you are making an informed decision. Now, I'm sure AB is not trying to generalize and put all of us in the same pot...but, let's face it, there are a large amount of "us" that are too lazy to do our homework, and will accept anything that the media spins our way. Hence,IMO, the ignorant people who run around calling Bill Clinton, the first black president. Personally, as an African-American (or black, whichever PC term we're using this year) I am offended. Let's not forget that Bill Clinton was proven to be a boldface LIAR. (I did not have sex with that woman...remember that?) Well, if he's the first black president, did that make Hill the first black First Lady? As a woman, I feel like she couldn't keep her house in order, so why should I trust her to keep the White House in order? (The WASPs in my office had a field day with that, interpreting it to mean that black men are cheating liars, and black women are willing to put up with such nonsense. Again, the spin.) In my mind, I feel like giving Bill an honorary "hood pass", after he's been proven to be a fornicating liar is a slap in the face to black men. (And then there is Andrew Young's comment that Bill is blacker than Obama and has probably slept with more black women--don't even get me started on that one-WOW!)<BR/>You've got to understand that there are some folks out there that don't even bother to read into the deeper meaning behind these things....these are the people that AB is talking about. Unfortunately, these same folk will probably never read this blog.ebw-educated black womannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-15542234436699481612008-01-13T01:39:17.709-05:002008-01-13T01:39:17.709-05:00Once again, black folks don't respect each other's opinions.<BR/><BR/>Whenever one person feels otherwise, the mob attacks.<BR/><BR/>This is the REAL REASON why Obama won't win. We put each other down more than him.zackattackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15868391244595404406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-47051483982507314412008-01-12T20:20:21.147-05:002008-01-12T20:20:21.147-05:00Thanks AB!<BR/><BR/>It pisses me off to hear people make a statement and then they can't back it up. I've yet to read how 'Hiliary' or 'John' have helped 'Blacks'...because people hold 'Barack' to a different level of expectations. If you don't want to vote for Barack- don't. Just save all the crap about his lack of experience (as if 20-30 years in the Senate is consoling). There haven't been to<BR/>Many presidents who've had prior experience as a president. One could look @ 'Bill' and see that a 2nd term didn't make him any wiser in his decision making...cinconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-65655121979207533252008-01-12T17:07:40.639-05:002008-01-12T17:07:40.639-05:00AB, again you've done a great job in articulating what many of us are feeling. Zackattack, I hear you..wish I had more concrete evidence of what you're saying....<BR/>However, I'm sure the senator is trying. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially since I've heard nothing but praise about him from my peeps in the Chi.<BR/>Anyway, AB I was just having this converstion with my baby cousin (a poli-sci major). The thing that really burns me up is when I hear these the same folk you refer to in your post talking about eveything Bill Clinton did for black folks. Can someone please tell me what these great and wonderful acts were? Seriously. I was kinda busy getting an edducation and working 3 jobs to pay for it in the nineties,so I'm sure I missed alot.When I ask these "folk" to tell me what Bill did for blacks specifically, that he didn't do for any one else, they never have an answer. Maybe some of your regular readers or you, AB can help me.ebw-educated black womannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-46597267967847759742008-01-11T22:45:53.252-05:002008-01-11T22:45:53.252-05:00Well, I am a 23 year old black male who IS one of Senator Obama's constituents. So, I get real pissed off when people who don't live in Illinois try to judge our displeasure with his work. (No offense).<BR/><BR/>He's not a bad guy, he's just a lazy guy. I live in a tough neighborhood in Chicago, and he's done nothing in almost 4 years. It's not about what his platform is, but rather if his platform has some background to it. It doesn't.<BR/><BR/>I understand that Senators can't do as much as aldermen, so don't go there with me. But I'm doing the best I can to inspire other black males. I just need some help from the Senate. But wait....our black senator is too busy running for president!!!!!<BR/><BR/>So don't stereotype all black people because you are in love with the media's portrayal of him.<BR/>We need a Black President, but not him right now. He needs to start being a good senator first.zackattackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15868391244595404406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-37191874697066256622008-01-11T17:14:10.298-05:002008-01-11T17:14:10.298-05:00AverageBro...<BR/><BR/>Thank you<BR/>Thank you<BR/>Thank you<BR/><BR/>You have articulated what I've been thinking about for the last 5 months.Tam Tamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17655467556881984852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-18589280638754868992008-01-11T10:52:49.906-05:002008-01-11T10:52:49.906-05:00What also pisses me off is when people say they are "still undecided". How the hell can you be undecided? The candidates have had the same stances and bios for over a year now. Nothing has changed. Another BS excuse.<BR/><BR/>I just saw 2 south carolina preachers on CNN talking about they are undecided. Negroes please. You are just weighting which candidate is going to do you the most favors.<BR/><BR/>Wake up people!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-42384266143557633552008-01-11T10:47:40.495-05:002008-01-11T10:47:40.495-05:00Thank you.<BR/><BR/>I swear it is internalized hatred that keeps these Blk Obama skeptics & cynics ticking.JerseyBredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13030472200941563001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-27499082071637784322008-01-11T10:42:15.095-05:002008-01-11T10:42:15.095-05:00Damn, aint that the truth! Well stated.Treynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2696165851183554268.post-3340344259248191222008-01-11T10:41:13.156-05:002008-01-11T10:41:13.156-05:00Preach! Chuuuch! Tabernacle!<BR/><BR/>I am cut and pasting this into an email and sending to my whole mailing list. I would suggest others do the same, especially if you know folks in SC.Cubenoreply@blogger.com