Comments on AverageBro.com: The Problem With... Black Conservatives.

@Consturctive ["e] In summary, Smoking Ace, th...

2009-11-20T09:07:37.117-05:00

@Consturctive
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In summary, Smoking Ace, the REMOVAL of the Republican from your midst allowed you to come face to face with the impact of our own policies. YOU did not like what you saw so your only hope was to EXPAND, seeking to ensnare those who moved away from you.

THEIR resources are a critical component of YOUR standard of living. A standard that you have failed to show that you can produce on your own. Thus under the guise of "SOCIAL JUSTICE RIGHTS" you work to force your ideological and racial adversary INTO your "Friends and Family Calling Circle" so that YOU can benefit from the free minutes that he affords you.
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See that is the problem, too many caps. Emphasis and big Caps don't mean nothing to me. You are still beating around my question. I just want to know "Can you tell me what have Republicans done for minorities "Can you tell me what have Republicans done for minorities?" That is all. I told you spool answered the question with a good point. Adinasi answered the question with a good point and he came late gave clarification. You, on the other hand have not.
So just give me straight answer.

A good Thanksgiving Day treat from AB would be to ...

2009-11-20T08:50:27.700-05:00

A good Thanksgiving Day treat from AB would be to see:

The Problem That I Have With The Democratic Machine That Dominates Every Single Black Voting District In America & Extends Vertically To The Federal Government And The Black People Who Maintain Its Grip Regardless Of The Results Rendered That Are Misaligned With Their Own Permanent Interests"

Smoking Ace - the popular language paints these pr...

2009-11-20T08:20:02.020-05:00

Smoking Ace - the popular language paints these progressive forces as the heroes for justice and economic equality. Underdeveloped is the language that assess the DAMAGE that they did to the long term economic interests of the areas that they took over. The "Industrial Belt" is now the "Rust Belt". Some see it as merely a coincidence that this - one of the most Democratic controlled regions of the nation is also the one that is dying economically.

Their new plan is to NATIONALIZE that which their policies destroyed when they took over at the periphery.

The loyal BLACK MAN is there along with him as he foments his national strategy. This will only temporarily allow him to mask over the failures of his local policies. Once the central government is loaded up with resource demands then will the higher federal taxes be seen. Once that hungry hearth furnace is shown to have an insatiable appetite the CUTS and rationing that those who are marketing this new era of progressivism today deny will happen will indeed be forced upon us.

In summary, Smoking Ace, the REMOVAL of the Republican from your midst allowed you to come face to face with the impact of our own policies. YOU did not like what you saw so your only hope was to EXPAND, seeking to ensnare those who moved away from you.

THEIR resources are a critical component of YOUR standard of living. A standard that you have failed to show that you can produce on your own. Thus under the guise of "SOCIAL JUSTICE RIGHTS" you work to force your ideological and racial adversary INTO your "Friends and Family Calling Circle" so that YOU can benefit from the free minutes that he affords you.

Smoking Ace: I am one step ahead of you on your q...

2009-11-20T08:19:52.381-05:00

Smoking Ace:

I am one step ahead of you on your question.

[quote]Can you tell me what have Republicans done for minorities?[/quote]

The BEST thing that Republicans have done for the African-American community was....TO MOVE AWAY FROM US. (Please read my ENTIRE argument before hating)

At a time when there was a interminable conflict over RESOURCE ALLOCATION at the local level as Black and White resided in the same school districts, the same cities, the same police districts - endless battles ensued in the post Civil Rights period. Now mind you prior to this period BLACK PEOPLE WERE SUPPRESSED and thus the Whites dictated how the resources would be allocated.

From their departure came BLACK and/or Democratic (of any color) POLITICAL CONTROL over the places that had the highest concentrations of Black people.

The MOTIVATIONS for these Whites moving being racist is subordinate to the fact that from this departure WE AS BLACK PEOPLE were now free to implement "our own agenda" based on "our own priorities".

From this came Black city council men and Black mayors. Black county board members and majority control over the school boards who educate our children.

Simply put, Smoking Ace - WE were left "all alone" to promote our own interests. (You like that use of "we" by a Black Conservative, Soul Brother?)

Unfortunately so many of our leaders were marinated with the fight against "Whitey" that they too often failed to make note of the great potential of what they now had at hand. They controlled the Public Safety, Education, Economic Development and Public Health concerns of large populations of Black people right in their hands of power.

I get frustrated with YOUR version of "What have conservatives ever done for Black people" question for it is almost exclusively based upon what have they GIVEN US in the way of a transfer payment. (And you know I am not lying).

Obama, the Federal Democrats and the local Progressive machine of today represent a tacit admission of FAILURE of the "Urban Strategy" that has been hoisted upon the Black people of this nation for more than 50 years. Please note that they took over industrial powerhouses several decades ago. These cities were built up due to their production and the need for labor. Our people were called up from the South in order to fill the production jobs in Rochester, Cleveland, Detroit, Camden, Newark, Akron, Flint and Gary.

As the present political regime took over these places, largely riding upon the Organized Labor Movement - they believed that they were now in the catbird seat in their fight against their prime enemy - the CAPITALISTIC CORPORATIONS that were "exploiting" labor and "polluting" the environment.

WHY do you INSIST on using so many capital letters...

2009-11-20T05:28:40.852-05:00

WHY do you INSIST on using so many capital letters? Emphasis? Or just to SOUND LIKE A DOUCHE.

I think what's at issue for me is what Max Reddick...

2009-11-20T01:38:56.721-05:00

I think what's at issue for me is what Max Reddick from soulbrother v.2 did today on his blog, black conservatives and/or black Republicans tend to do this us vs. them a bit too much for me and they're quite public about it. Granted black liberals and black Dems do the same with regards to those that oppose them as well.

Another issue that blacks in general seem to have is that none of us seem to handle opposing opinions well. Since most people, Dems and Repubs view themselves as free thinking individuals, its a moot point to say that one side is spouting nothing more than talking points of the party platform. What results is that you got a whole bunch of people running around suffering from "I'm the Only Enlightened One Syndrome" and nothing gets accomplished.

I just think what self professed black conservatives and black Republicans suffer from are just bad arguments.

What black Republicans and black conservatives tend to forget is that when dealing with the rest of black Americans the uniqueness of the black cultural experience from Africa through slavery and through the modern civil rights era trumps all other arguments. Essentially you have one group arguing the validity of apples and another talking about oranges. Both are still talking about fruit, but still fruit that grows on different trees.

To address the belief that due to religion blacks are more aligned with the GOP or with conservative values is a toss up at best and a misnomer at worst. Its a toss up because I dip off to a COGIC church at night and the Sunday after Obama's election, the saints went in the gate and got a praise break off the ground when the pastor mentioned Obama. But this is from a denomination that doesn't fully ordain women in ministry nor do they open and affirm homosexuals (although, DAMN, at this church, it's quite clear who's who). Well, let some tell the story, this should be a church that should support the GOP and conservative thought processes. And of course on the other side of the spectrum, you have churches like Trinity United Church of Christ that still is biblically based and is a clear Christian church (contrary to popular opinion) that espouses the liberal values of the Christian faith.

Parenthetically speaking:

Lisa whatsherface sounded like a blithering idiot. Honestly, anyone black or white who dares to say that blacks should be thankful for coming here--oh excuse me, landing here, dear Lord, what I want to say about her is soooooo not right at all. To allude to the fact that we should be thankful for the slave experience is to have bought into mindset of Americanity lock, stock and barrel and that's an issue that's transcendent of race, religion, gender, and party affiliation.

And to the brother who carried a briefcase as a kid, to openly and easily equate him getting beat up because he wasn't to "be something" sounds like a cockamamie story that just made a good lead in to the program. AB was right, that was just kids being kids. Kids did the same thing with other bookbags I'm sure.

First of all, this was an excellent post, even wit...

2009-11-20T00:25:48.068-05:00

First of all, this was an excellent post, even without the personal shout out :-)
My own mom cringes at my inherent conservatism, yet I laugh at how so much of it at the core came from my 'liberal', pro-union, yet God-fearing Christian (Catholic) parents. Point #5 of this post is a big issue with me, and partly why I cannot register as a Republican because of the non-sense that some folks perpetrate.
I don't even like labeling myself as 'conservative.' When I advocate 'free markets' I'm advocating the right of an individuals and enterprises to choose their own social, educational, and financial destiny, and be willing to accept the consequences of those choices. As an engineering student a professor once said, "When in doubt, read the instructions;" the instructions for the USA are the Constitution, and anything that's inconsistent or antithetical to it draws my opposition.
Brother AB, I will chide your question a bit: 'talking point' has become a pejorative, yet facts and data can't be wisked away under that label. The last charter school at which I taught people of color were beating down the door to enroll, vehement in their resistance to enrolling their children into the local public middle school. Many of our fellow, prosperous Brothers in my peer group 'got phat' during Reagan-Bush 41. This may not be quantitative data but it does support your thesis that us folks will achieve WHEN WE CHOOSE TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES, which ultimately supports my tenet of being free to choose your own destiny versus a limited few choosing what's best for us. I'll choose the unease and diligence of liberty versus the placating straightjacket of tyranny any day, any time, any place.

quote from spool: Welfare dependence creates gener...

2009-11-19T21:51:09.690-05:00

quote from spool:
Welfare dependence creates generational poverty. Is it the only factor? Certainly not, but it is a root cause. Policies that advocate more dependence on the State create, surprise surprise, more dependence on the State.

A culture of dependence is damaging, in the long term, to a culture of ambition and success. Advocates of more dependence are advocates for more poverty and less success. Who are the advocates for dependence in the political arena? The Democrats.

Opportunity is the CURE for generational poverty, not the cause. What economic system creates the most opportunity? The capitalist one. Capitalism is not the cause of poverty, it is the answer to poverty, in any meaningful sense that there can be an 'answer'.

Okay, Spool is making a point, but what about you Constructive, can you name something or all you are is just a someone who just listen to news and don't see reality in your backyard?

Everybody hold up, Let Constructive Feedback and S...

2009-11-19T21:46:46.244-05:00

Everybody hold up, Let Constructive Feedback and Spool answer this question.

Can you tell me what have Republicans done for minorities?

If you can't and I can you are not as Conservative as you think you are. To make things worst I am a person of the Swing Party.

No beating around the bush, no talking against Dems. Make your point.

Oh yeah - this is the post (from Dereck) that made...

2009-11-19T21:24:03.557-05:00

Oh yeah - this is the post (from Dereck) that made me turn around an not hang out tonight.

[quote]Black people voting 90 percent democrat doesn't change the fact we had Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush Jr. The conservative revolution happened whether or not it was supported by minorities (which it wasn't).[/quote]

Dereck:

WHY is it more concerning for you that the "National Republicans' that you listed above got into office but you say NOTHING about the "PROGRESSIVE MONOPOLY" that totally dominate where Black people live in our highest concentrations?

THERE ARE NO VOTING DISTRICTS where there is a 35%+ BLACK voting base that is controlled by REPUBLICANS!!!!

Yet for some reason you are pervert things and look past the failures of LOCAL DEMOCRATS as you attack "National Republicans".

The question of your children's education has more to do with those who OPERATE these facilities locally than anything that the national government can do. The feds HAND OUT MONEY. IF you want the money - you have to follow their policies.

[quote] And that revolution failed resoundingly. That context is alone is enough to make me roll my eyes at what any conservative says, including black conservatives.[/quote]

Dereck - could you tell us about how the "Urban Strategy" from the Democrats has worked for the Black Community?

IS THIS JUST A COINCIDENCE about where Black Economic interests have been most ERODED Dereck?
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/10/tale-of-misery-hotspots-for-black-male.html

WHY do you concern yourself with the "failure" of the National Conservative Revolution instead of how your interests have been FAILED despite you being a full participant rather than the opposition critic who was more skeptical?

[quote]But the thing that gets me about black conservatives is the fact that the current conservative coalition is fundamentally born out of anti civil rights sentiment.[/quote]

(So tired)
Derek:

THE GREATEST VIOLATIONS OF BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS TO-DAMNED-DAY is happening WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY!!!!

* Witness Intimidation
* Justice In Their Own Hands
* Low Homicide Closure Rates
* Jury Nullification

WHO has more of an "Anti-Civil Rights Agenda" than does the STREET PIRATES and those who seek to turn them into POLITICAL operatives by having them take to the stage and convince Blacks to vote?

These type of entertainers are the VOICE of the KILLERS OF BLACK PEOPLE.

[quote]As far as being likable leading to populari...

2009-11-19T21:10:51.178-05:00

[quote]As far as being likable leading to popularity and not results. That is the reason people are elected.[/quote]

Smoking Ace:

My point is that this likability index can also produce VOTER NULLIFICATION where, as it is the case in many Black voting districts - the people can tell you more of what they HATE about the adversary than what the person who gets their vote time and time again has done.

To be clear (and I hope my friend AB is reading this) - for some people the question is not "What has the GOP done to EARN the Black vote?"

The sad question that must be brought forth is: What must the incumbent Democratic Machine do in the way of crossing a line of these people's respect and consciousness for them to see that VOTING in and of itself has failed to advance their Permanent Interests".

I don't know that this point of degradation has even been defined yet. As it nears the Democrats will dispatch a "Democrat who is Black" to our communities to remind us all of everything that they have done for us. That our present set of grievances are nothing more than UNGRATEFULNESS.

(For some of you the opposite of DEMOCRAT is REPUBLICAN. This is only true in the American Political Domain.

In the Black Community Cultural Consciousness Domain the fact is WE WERE SOLD A METHODOLOGY by which we could achieve more universal progression. The point that needs to be PUT ON TRIAL is not "Well what would the GOP do?" Instead it MUST BE "HAD WE INVESTED OUR FOCUS inward and elsewhere WHERE WOULD WE BE STANDING NOW AS A PEOPLE - now that we have control over our own communities yet are still aggrieved?

Sadly the failure to build up the infrastructure in our "community cultural consciousness" has it where after the hope is lost in VOTING the only thing that the frustrated masses have to resort to is a RIOT.

A RIOTING mob represents the absolute and final NO CONFIDENCE VOTE in the System. That "trying harder", "playing by the rules" and "waiting your turn" is no longer a credible course of action.

WHO within the Black Establishment should be held accountable for SELLING us upon the VOTING methodology while at the same time having failed to work on the internal superstructure by which human resource management and community management is distributed to the periphery of our communities?

Pursuant to the writs, I must say "Yo Nupe!!!" to ...

2009-11-19T20:58:38.981-05:00

Pursuant to the writs, I must say "Yo Nupe!!!" to Adinasi and AB.

That is all.

SIMPLY AMAZING!!! [quote]Generational poverty are...

2009-11-19T20:58:31.274-05:00

SIMPLY AMAZING!!!

[quote]Generational poverty are not a byproduct of nor is encouraged by any party. It is in fact the direct result of the capitalist economy within which we live.

IF the "capitalistic establishment" is the CAUSE of poverty......I sure would like to know what is causing the poverty in Guatemala, Laos and Chad?

In Physics - "Hot and Cold" are non-scientific terms. Instead there is HEAT and ABSENCE OF HEAT. A "cold" mass gets "hot" when HEAT ENERGY is transferred to it via some medium.

The same is true that "wealth" and "poverty". The defacto state of the human being sans a SYSTEM of WEALTH AGGREGATION AND CREATION is POVERTY!!!!

Those who are "wealthy" are positioned in a system in which they are able to Trade something of value and receive financial resources in return. Those who are "poor" are either outside of a system of aggregation and trade of resources OR they are positioned inside of the system where they are not able to leverage market power to their favor.

I struggle to understand how you can "MAKE someone poor". Yes you can SUPPRESS him from executing upon his own abilities or systematically deny his fair participation inside a given system. This is SUPPRESSION rather than 'MAKING SOMEONE poor'.

In addition I struggle to understand how some of you fail to see how your economic ideology is a suppressive force as well.

[quote]In the case of poor Black people and other minorities. You show me just how getting a late start has not affected poverty but can be attributed to liberal politics as you say.[/quote]

THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY SO RiPPa.

IF an Africa that had never been molested by colonialism and the taking of its people for use in other lands THIS DOES NOT SPEAK TO the prevailing economic system THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN adopted within these lands.

WHAT IF there was a conscious decision that the masses valued the natural, God given state of the land and thus they banned all mineral extraction for use in the global market? Instead the only commerce allowed was that which was bound to tradition.

This would not have been a "Late Start", RiPPa but SURELY this would not bring the wealth of resources TO MARKET and thus actually EXPRESS the value of such to the people who control it.

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT SLAVERY AND COLONIALISM. I ONLY stated that your claim of "Late Start" does not encompass the entire dimension of the question.

@ Derek: "But the thing that gets me about black ...

2009-11-19T20:19:24.667-05:00

@ Derek:

"But the thing that gets me about black conservatives is the fact that the current conservative coalition is fundamentally born out of anti civil rights sentiment."

YES, YES AND TRIPLE YES.

There are certain issues I'm very conservative about. But I cannot bring myself to associate with many of the people falling on the conservative side of those issues, because the history of their motivations makes me very uncomfortable. (Hell, screw history---a lot of their CURRENT motivations make me uncomfortable. You won't find directly racist platforms, but you will find other draconican social agendas.)

For example, I understand Constructive Feedback's broken-record mantra regarding "long term interests." (You don't have to be black to agree that those things are needed for any community to thrive.) But I'll be damned if I'm going to throw my hat in with backward-looking, ignorance-exploiting tribalists to realize them.

@ Spool:

"Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas; liberals think conservatives are bad people."

Conservatives like YOU think that.
And you're wrong. The diehard firebreathers don't think liberals are bad people. They think CENTRISTS are bad people.
Liberals, on the other hand, are demon spawn.

It is simply not arguable that the level of boiling, irrational hatred is in any way lopsided toward the left, here. I grant that adjusted for different language and context, maybe the scales are even. But heavier on the left? Well, all I can say is that you do an admirable job of only associating with nice people.

And by the way, I SO do not want to hear anybody using "reality-based community" as a some kind of rhetorical weapon against the left. That's like Bill Clinton somehow trying to use "I didn't inhale" against some some clean-cut GOP figure. (bad analogy but I couldn't think of anything equally horrifying the left has said, though I know there must be examples.)

Wow. A lot of longwinded double talk to try to exp...

2009-11-19T19:35:24.982-05:00

Wow. A lot of longwinded double talk to try to explain where all these Black conservatives are hiding. I would argue that the majority of blacks identify themselves as liberals or either libertarian scale model (Ron Paul) than a conservative (Beck, Hannity, ect). It’s funny but in all my dealing at work, home, and play I have yet to meet a true black conservatives in the flesh. I constantly see them on TV and print, web forums, ect but never met one.

The irony is far as economics and free market ideology I completely agree with conservatism but it’s on social, privacy, and issues of race where I have to go off the reservation. My biggest problems with these black conservatives is they are always trotted out on TV to make racist generalizations of blacks (perfect example Elders ) or to apologize for racist statements from whites.

I voted for McDonald this election cycle even though I had some misgivings about his social issues. Blacks definitely need to start showing more independence and get off the Democratic plantation. On the hand it doesn’t mean they should embrace the elements of a political party that clearly shows disdain at the least and outright racism to them at its worst. In conclusion I say choose the best man for the job and don’t worry about sipping the Democratic Kool-Aid or being a Right wing tool.

@Spool32: Read this recent report HERE. The income...

2009-11-19T19:19:52.877-05:00

@Spool32: Read this recent report HERE. The income gap for minorities are wider now than any other time in history as far as recessions go my friend. Lemme guess, that's a direct result of them all voting Democrat?

Somewhat off topic but maybe not-one of the bigges...

2009-11-19T19:17:17.352-05:00

Somewhat off topic but maybe not-one of the biggest differences in wealth between blacks and whites is the value of homes passed from one generation to the next.

Homes owned by Blacks are not worth as much because of de facto segregation-often hypersegregation in some areas. Most whites do not wish to live around Blacks so the market reflects that in home prices.

That is one thing that neither party is addressing and is one of the big problems in American society today.

I did miss the connection, Rippa... honestly, I do...

2009-11-19T18:57:11.000-05:00

I did miss the connection, Rippa... honestly, I don't know what connection you're talking about, at all.

Mind spelling out for me what you're talking about?

Data points to follow. Also, Derek I don't think it's correct at all to say that the 1994 Republican Revolution failed. Assertions, as Rippa has said, are pretty meaningless all in all. I do appreciate the argument against the recent claim that the country is trending left, though.

I welcome any attempt to argue that minorities are worse off now than they were in 1979. Feel free to try and prove that!

:)

Conservative talking points on race (most things a...

2009-11-19T18:41:59.840-05:00

Conservative talking points on race (most things actually) don't make sense because the country's trended republican for the past 20 years. When you bitch about something, get power, then bitch about the same thing 20 years later... YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS. Case in point, you can't make talking points about welfare when welfare reform happened in 1994. The playing field has already changed. Black people voting 90 percent democrat doesn't change the fact we had Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush Jr. The conservative revolution happened whether or not it was supported by minorities (which it wasn't). And that revolution failed resoundingly. That context is alone is enough to make me roll my eyes at what any conservative says, including black conservatives.

But the thing that gets me about black conservatives is the fact that the current conservative coalition is fundamentally born out of anti civil rights sentiment. There is nothing noble regarding the history of a good deal of conservative positions. Southerner's didn't like Goldwater's federalism because they were for small government, they liked it because they didn't want segregation to be broken by the federal government. And so on and so forth. But that's really just a personal problem for me, not necessarily a problem with black conservative logic... at least in this case

@Spool32: See how you missed the connection betwee...

2009-11-19T18:26:59.866-05:00

@Spool32: See how you missed the connection between "getting a late start" and race? That's cool, conservatives generally do that sorta thing - especially the Black ones who condemn the behaviors of poor people without giving a damn about what most of them are born into. Or just how the social construct of race coupled with the systematic workings of institutionalized racism works.

But hey, speaking of policy that's designed to keep people poor for generations?

Those Bush tax cuts sure did help the poor, no?

Still waiting for empirical evidence to support what you say about generational poverty by the way. Spare me the talking points and show and prove.

Welfare dependence creates generational poverty. I...

2009-11-19T18:10:51.493-05:00

Welfare dependence creates generational poverty. Is it the only factor? Certainly not, but it is a root cause. Policies that advocate more dependence on the State create, surprise surprise, more dependence on the State.

A culture of dependence is damaging, in the long term, to a culture of ambition and success. Advocates of more dependence are advocates for more poverty and less success. Who are the advocates for dependence in the political arena? The Democrats.

Opportunity is the CURE for generational poverty, not the cause. What economic system creates the most opportunity? The capitalist one. Capitalism is not the cause of poverty, it is the answer to poverty, in any meaningful sense that there can be an 'answer'.

Feel free to bring up concepts like 'getting a late start". The current educational system we have is dramatically broken, and the strongest advocates for change and improvement are those who stand in opposition to the sclerotic unionized product of a Democrat worldview.

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@marbles:
I'll see your one book writer and raise you "the reality-based community". I absolutely refuse to concede this point to you... ther eare a lot of ways conservatives demonize the left, but the concept that the other side isn't wrong but insane, mentally disturbed, living in a fantasy world, toweringly ignorant, or imbued with evil is a leftist concept through and through.

Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas; liberals think conservatives are bad people.

Posts in this thread bear out that generality quite nicely.

Constructive Feedback, JC Watts is not only the f...

2009-11-19T18:06:33.150-05:00

Constructive Feedback,

JC Watts is not only the first African America Republican who only just being one of two African Americans Republicans who was a U.S. Representative, not only he is the first African American elected in the state Oklahoma, but also the first African American that has held a U.S. Representative seat as a Republican in the South. That is a rarity in the south being that over 90% of people in the South that are African Americans vote Democrat. Colin Powell is not only an Advocate for OUR Armed Forces, but also an advocate for education which is an important part of my beliefs in the United States.

As far as being likable leading to popularity and not results. That is the reason people are elected. I like Bobby Jindal because he provides results in his state. I like Travis Childers because he provides result in his demographics. Yes politicians have to make decisions, whether good or bad, but they do for the best of their demographics. I can give you Democrats who are doing a crappy job in their demographics and will still get elected. That is what make people likable whether Democrat or Republican.

As far as the "I am better than you" quote, I don't have to answer that. You are really making that clear by how you are typing.

Spool:

I will clarify that Southern Strategy thing for you. I did commend you on your post about Black Republicans because you had some pretty decent points. Just think about how it was before Jim Crow and Reconstruction and look how Nixon played the role - reversal of the party. I believe you do know about it but like Beck said now we may have to reset these parties.

@spool32: Generational poverty are not a byproduct...

2009-11-19T17:11:47.845-05:00

@spool32: Generational poverty are not a byproduct of nor is encouraged by any party. It is in fact the direct result of the capitalist economy within which we live.

GET IT RIGHT!

In the case of poor Black people and other minorities. You show me just how getting a late start has not affected poverty but can be attributed to liberal politics as you say.

Frankly, what you say or said is nothing but foolish conser5vative talking points - there's nothing but opinion expressed without any empirical evidence to support your claim, and that's just plain dumb.

@ Spool: Ah yes---me knows the takes-two-to-tango...

2009-11-19T16:55:23.918-05:00

@ Spool:

Ah yes---me knows the takes-two-to-tango dance of which thou speaketh.

Which pundit was it wrote a book called something like "Liberalism is a Mental Illness"?

But whatever. We both the dance already. I prefer to remain a wallflower at most of the dances---though I guess that's partly 'cause I never show up with a date.

That's not the definition though: Def. of Patholo...

2009-11-19T16:51:40.531-05:00

That's not the definition though:

Def. of Pathology.

The reason people use it is that they want to suggest black Republicans have some sort of mental sickness or condition. Which is, of course, exactly the sort of insult I've come to expect from the left. It's not that they disagree, it's that they're sick people who need help.

And we're the paternalistic ones? Please.