I make no bones about my political affiliations. I'm a proud liberal who is no longer a registered member of the Democratic Party, partially because of my disdain with how the party as a whole handled the daily underhanded racial assaults on Barack Obama during last year's push for the Democratic nomination. But I'm also unaffiliated because I don't by any means vote in lockstep with Democrats. I have, and will continue to vote for Republicans on the local level.
The recent news that onetime Maryland Republican governor Bob Ehrlich is considering mounting a challenge to incumbent Democrat Martin O'Malley (the real like Tommy Carcetti from HBO's The Wire) means I'll be voting GOP come 2010. The guy is the best person for the job, and you should vote for the best person regardless of whether their name is followed by a D or an R. Living in a relatively moderate state with few of the racial shenanigas associated with the GOP nationally makes this a far more palatable thought.
That said, as disillusioned as I am with the Dems, it still puzzles, and in some ways fascinates me, to hear Black (or as they'd prefer to be called, "African-American") Conservatives explain why they ryde or die with a party that seems to insult their race at every turn. I honestly just don't get it. Sure, voting for the best guy for the job makes sense. But asserting that black folks voting for the Democrats 90% of the time is the cause of all that ails Negro communities just smacks of lazy, shortsighted plantation thinking.
Let's take a look at a recent case study of this strange phenomenon of Negro curiosity, compliments of Fox News Channel, and that noted bridger of racial divides, Mr. Glenn Beck.
Case #1 - The "I'm Conservative Because I Was Ostracized For My Beliefs As A Poor Child Growing Up In The Ghetto" Card Is Played.
Note to Charles Payne, and all Black Conservatives playing the "I was ostracized because I talked White" card: Negroes please! Your pass has been revoked.
The kids clowning you for carrying a briefcase to 3rd grade weren't "liberals", they were children. I seem to hear this whole "liberals don't value education and hard work" line of nonsense aped by Black Conservative after Black Conservative, as if to suggest that the black community's anti-intellectualism is a political thing, rather than symptomatic of an American problem, period. To me, I see this "Black folks won't accept me, so I'll become a Republican and show those broke Negroes a thing or two" rationale as being intellectually lazy and borderline elitist. It seems like a convenient way of announcing to White Conservatives "I'm not like the rest of those lazy Negroes although I grew up in the same neighborhood. I can speak good English and I'm non-threatening. Unclutch your purse, and please, pleeeasse let me date your daughter." Can we please leave childhood scars out of the equation? They are of no relevance to arguements about why the GOP is "better" for blacks, and just make you look like a sucker who's still mad cause Shaniqua passed you over for that football player when you asked her to the prom. Get over it, already.
Case #2 - The Democrats Haven't Done Anything To Help Black People? Well What's The GOP Done?
I also disagree with this assertion. The same party that says time and time again that the gubb'ment should be less involved in peoples lives says that Black folks would be better off if only they'd vote for Republicans? Really?
I hate the "Liberal policies make Negroes eternal victims who suck off Uncle Sam's teet" narrative more than any other Conservative talking point.[1] It seems to suggest that Black people can't do for self, think for self, or rationalize for self, but that the Grand Ole' Party can do all these things and magically rescue Black folks from themselves if only we'd quit voting for the Democrats year in and year out. But what does the GOP present as proof that they'd somehow do better, other than vague arguements for "free market capitalism". "Free market capitalism" isn't keeping Se'Quan off the corner. "Free market capitalism" isn't stopping Jamaal from shooting Ray Ray. "Free market capitalism" isn't stopping Keyshia from opening her legs. And neither is any other "policy" like ending abortions or pushing for marriage preservation that the GOP advocates. Black folks will be saved when Black folks decide we want to save ourselves. Neither political party has the power to do that, but at least the Dems aren't pretending to be paternalistic. And BTW, is it merely a coincidence that black poverty is still largely concentrated in the very Southeastern states where the GOP's base resides, and where Republicans also have a lock on elected positions? Just food for thought.
Case #3 - Black Republicans Just Aren't Generally Very Cool People.
With all due respect to my main main Adinasi (who is a fellow Nupe, and thus the coolest brother on the planet), Black Conservatives have a hard time attracting other Black folks to the party because they just aren't all that likable. The folks on this Glenn Beck special seem to be a room full of dicks who probably don't get much love in the cluuuubbb, or in the barbershop (notice all those weak tapers and shape-ups, these guys definitely go to SuperCuts, not AfrosCut), and cornball chicks whom most brothers wouldn't be bothered with.
If you think I'm kidding, how come 99% of the "Black Female Conservatives" you see on TV have traditionally white surnames? I'm not saying there's a connection here, but I'm not saying there isn't one either. Generally speaking, these folks still seem to be a wee bit ostracized socially as adults, which I wouldn't doubt has some bearing in their political affiliation. Even if Shaniqua don't love you, Michelle still thinks "you be Da' Man!"
That's gotta count for something. I guess.
Case #4 - All Blacks Are Socially Conservative. Not!
And for the 9912th time, could we please, please, please dead this nonsense that "The Black Community" is naturally more socially "Conservative", and thus more in lockstep with the GOP's policies? Alveda King, I'm not telling you to Go. Sit. Down. out of respect for the family name. But you are pushin' it, homegirl. You really are.
Really? If this were true, why do black folks have so many babies out of wedlock, so many abortions, and so many failed marriages? To be more factually correct, the paternalistic institution known as "The Black Church" is socially "Conservative", but you'd be hard pressed to find many ways in which this bleeds over into man-on-the-street black thought. I'd challenge any talking head that continues to spit this fallacy to put down the Bible and take an honest look around. Theory and reality are not the same.
Case #5 - Black Conservatives Seldom Take The Party To Task For It's Racist Nonsense.
Curiously absent from this entire one hour clusterf*ck is the fact that the GOP does a great job of continually offending potential Black voters. Not a week goes by without some GOP operative calling Michelle a monkey, suggesting that crime would go down if we'd just abort black babies, or referring to the President as a "boy". While the Democrats have their fair share of similar nonsense (reread the first paragraph of this post), at least there are some folks within the party (ie: James Clyburn) who know when to step in and say enough is enough. When the same happens on the GOP side, Negroes practically knock themselves over in a Rush to get on TV and apologize for the offender.
Strangely, this entire hour goes by and not a single one of these grinning, "I's just so happy to be on da' TeeVee" Negroes even bothers to take Beck to task for his "Obama is racist" comment. What sort of Ghetto Jedi Mind Trick this is, I have no idea. I do, however, know that until the GOP starts checkin' itself, it is not going to make any significant inroads with Black voters. Is it no surprise that when Conservative candidates (ie: Mike Huckabee in Arkansas) do get large numbers of black votes, they're usually guys who eschew theis sort of "Us vs Them" racial politricks? I'm just sayin', you can't both offend me and expect me to put you in power. That dog don't hunt.
I apologize in advance to any Black Conservative whom I might have offended with this screed. Well, okay, actually I don't apologize. I'd really, really, really be interested in knowing how you can stand idly by and watch (and in some ways pile on) when a party more or less disparages your community for political gain (ie: Tea Party protestors, The Reagan Era "Welfare Queen" stereotype, anything uttered by Rush Limbaugh), yet still defend this party as somehow being honest and genuine in its' pursuit of black votes. What exactly has the GOP done that's so greatly benefitted black voters? Where are the success stories? Kill all the rhetoric and Us vs Them hyperbole and give me concrete examples, not talking points.
Question: If you are a Black Conservative, or even know someone who plays one on TV, please explain to me how you can hold your nose and continually support a party that is so clearly disrespectful of the community from which you come? Please show me and point me to real life examples of where the GOP's policies have affected the black community for the better. Please steer clear of talking points like "school choice", "free market capitolism", "William Jefferson", and talking about what the Democrats aren't doing. Defend your party and it's platform without the hyperbole and senseless emotionalism.
[1] How then, do you explain away the plight of the millions of poor Southern Conservative whites also on welfare and other forms of public assistance? What's the GOP done to reward them for decades of guaranteed votes?
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Yes, your core point is clear---the fixation on convenient national-stage villains far outside one's immediate community/circle of influence to the detriment of said community's health; since said community is run by the "correct" people; they remain unchecked and sink into corruption as the community sinks into despair. Yes, yes.
The same concept easily applies beyond any debate about the black community and into wider poltics, since it's certainly argued that the fixation on love-to-hate-'em national villains is a waste of time when people should concern themselves with those running the places they actually LIVE in.
And if a political machine has been entrenched in a community for decades without bettering things in any measurable way, it of course needs to be held accountable.
None of this is exactly radical.
Yet.
Again, how do you reconcile putting local Democratic machines in your crosshairs with saying, in almost the same breath, that the core problems reside in places politics cannot touch? Those two things don't go together at all.
Also, irrelevant though you feel it is, AB's laundry list here is a lot more than a few musty shirts. You cast a weary eye at Democratic entrenchment--fair enough. But you dismiss a large part of the reason for it.
Last year during my Date-A-Palooza (whole other story, don't ask), one Potential Significant Other was a self-proclaimed black conservative who tried time and time again to explain to me why he was Republican and voted for Bush... both times.
When really pressed to present his platform, all he could come at me with was Reaganomics and "Family First" values.
I tried to explain to him that I also embraced some of those concepts without aligning myself to either party. On some issues I'm liberal, others conservative. I will always vote for the best candidate, not a straight party ticket. He called me a flip-flopper brainwashed by the Clinton Political Machine and said he couldn't understand how I (an admitted bougie chick) couldn't get on this Conservative Repub train since apparently that's where all the bougie and educated blacks should be (really?). I said I wasn't getting on board because the StraightTalk Express was powered by bs'ing out of touch double dealers with racist inclinations.
Until a Black Conservative Republican is willing to do more than shuffle out of the limelight when some of their racist party members show their stripes, I can't even consider that platform valid. As for that dude, last time I saw him, he was wearing an Obama T-Shirt... who's the flip-flopper now?
Money might be the answer, AB. Think of it this way: you change the focus of this website to black conservatism and become the Negro Rush Limbuagh. Imagine how many invites to be on TV you'd get and how many book offers would flood your mailbox. I think many of these talking heads are mercenary pure and simple. Would a fellow like Steele sniff leadership positions in the Dems or if he were a white Rep?
I do think you can be a black libertartian or constructionist, however.
"Black Republicans Just Aren't Generally Very Cool People."
Ok man, yeah, that is the core of it all, and yes, this was the realest shit right there. I literally was in tears when I read that.
I saw the show last Friday, and as much as I hate stereotypes and attempt to dispel them? I'm sorry, but when it comes to Black conservatives, everything pretty much holds true.
Now the one thing that stood out on the show to me was that a significant number of these self-proclaimed conservatives voted for Barack Obama. One of them said he even voted for him on the strength of him being Black! Noticeably absent was the critique of those Black people who voted for Obama as they do all Black people who voted for him.
The commentary on the first video was so on point! I was kinda feeling this brother on the show at first because he really didn't come off as you described entirely. But when he was challenged by this cat who was sitting in the back who told him he got picked on because he was weak or at least gave off that vibe, I cracked up. I did because dude got real black and tried to check the cat who said that about him.
Good post man...
I could go on and on in breaking down that show because there was a lot more to be said namely the chick being thankful for slavery and being rescued from Africa.
In the end, there is an obvious pathology associated with most of the Black republicans I've encountered. Thankfully they're not all like that because I do happen to know some of them who I can engage with who make sense.
You rang Marbles?
WHY AverageBro?
WHY?
WHY?
Why did you pull the switcheroo?
Why are intermixing "Black Republican" with "Black Conservative"?
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[quote]I'm a proud liberal who is no longer a registered member of the Democratic Party, mostly because of my disdain with how the party as a whole handled the daily underhanded racial assaults on Barack Obama during last year's push for the Democratic nomination.[/quote]
Are you satisfied that this is a rationale statement AverageBro?
"I LEFT THE DEMOCRATS because THEY didn't fight hard enough AGAINST THE REPUBLICANS in support of THEIR 'Democrat who is Black' candidate".
Somewhere in this statement is your demand for BLACK HONOR to be protected.
YET as I analyze WHY (at least I) we are engaged in POLITICAL ACTIVISM in the first place - I struggle to understand WHY these statement are not more powerful to you:
* I left the DEMOCRATIC Party because despite having control over the educational establishment where I live BLACK PEOPLE'S HONOR is still be disrespected
* I left the DEMOCRATIC Party because after years of working hard to get a Democratic Mayor who has hired a majority Democrat (and Black) police command staff - our community REMAINS far higher than average in the crime rankings and our people are terrorized
* I left the Democratic Party because in the cross section between where Black people live in our highest concentrations and where the Democrats are strongest THERE ALSO is the highest amount of BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT.
In summary - I REALIZED THAT MY MEMBERSHIP IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WOULD ALWAYS COMPROMISE MY OWN BLACK CONSCIOUSNESS AND COMMITMENT TO THE BLACK PERMANENT INTERESTS:
* Safe Streets that allow community bonds to be built via communion
* Quality Schools that allow our young people to prepare to take the reigns of the professional services for our community
* Thriving Local Economies that allow our community members to trade with each other while those they employ make use of their mental gifts in order to achieve a certain productive end
* Healthy Lifestyles - that have our cultural messages in line with long, disease-free lives
AverageBro:
Have you ever took a step back and attempted to ENUMERATE the size and relative power of the vile "Black Conservative" - some of whom are "Black Republicans"?
Out of 40 million Black folks - WHY is it that this group that likely numbers less than 8% cause you so much discomfort?
We now have between 10,000 and 16,000 Black elected officials in America (depending on how you count them). Likely 98% of them are DEMOCRATS.
So its either that the evil Black Conservative who has no POWER - ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY - is either SUPERIOR in his effectiveness beyond his numbers
OR
YOU BELIEVE that of the portion of the 92% of Black people who are outside of that particular grouping are inferior in their attempts to thwart this most wretched of creature - the Black Conservative. Despite their superior numbers they still focus on HIM rather than their own.
Which one is it AverageBro?
Do you see how your antic are ANTI-MANAGEMENT? Instead of you being focused on getting THOSE WHO YOU PLACED INTO POWER over your key institutions so that they will DELIVER - you know the power of going after the ODD MAN OUT.
It appears that you prefer UNITY and the antics that are used to enforce this over MANAGEMENT.
Why do you blame the people that you have CUT FROM THE TEAM for the team's LOSSES?
(We can stop pretending about who you are going forward from this point. Right?)
[quote] Noticeably absent was the critique of those Black people who voted for Obama as they do all Black people who voted for him.[/quote]
While this discussion was ABSENT on this show which had about 36 minutes of actual conversation but IT WAS NOT missed as a point of discussion elsewhere.
RiPPa to me Barack Obama is better seens as part of the MACHINE that already runs BLACK AMERICA'S KEY INSTITUTIONS. Less conscious than the Black Republicans who voted FOR Obama because he was Black are the FAR LARGER NUMBER OF BLACK PEOPLE - who
* Are grieved over their schools and STILL voted to strengthen the MACHINE that controls them.
How can a DC resident, for example, provide a VOTE OF CONFIDENCE for the Machine that runs their schools RiPPa?
Is it clear that the LANGUAGE used by Black Americans and the ORGANIZATIONAL FRAMINGS that are necessary to DESCRIBE the ironies and dichotomies that exist within need to be developed.
IF your interests are the development of ORGANIC and COMPETENT Black Communities then YOU (Rippa) VOTED against your own BEST INTERESTS when you chose to VOTE.......rather than noting that VOTING is within the American Political Domain.
In truth our problems reside within the Community Cultural Consciousness Domain - which has been largely abandoned because people have been tricked into believing in "the Audacity of Change" long before Obama set foot on the campaign trail.
The short answer here is that I don’t support any party. I became disillusioned with the GOP as a monolithic entity shortly after George W. Bush was elected. Not because of the war, but more because of his own liberal thinking on some issues.
Let me be as succinct as possible. This is going to ramble a bit. But I am going to sail through some of AB’s questions at the end and address them.
I support any candidate who sounds relatively sane supports less government. Period. The only things the government has gotten (mostly) right is the military who defends us and NASA that has improved the lives of everyone on earth by turning over the technology it creates for its use to the general public. Just about everything else has some degree of cluster F’dness to it. Yes it’s a blanket statement, but I am trying to be succinct. I have a business to run and subsequently minorities to employ so I don’t have time to get into nit-picking.
Getting an education is the short path to multiple beatings if you are black in certain neighborhoods. That’s a fact. I became friends with a lot of gang members on a personal level, buying me a degree of protection from foolishness. I don’t consider myself better than anyone else and the assholy attitude that goes with it. When they figured that out, I was allowed to get decent grades, take advanced classes and learned to play basketball in the process.
AB is absolutely right when he says the black community has to want to save itself. Guess what? It never will want to and with that in mind, any party or individual trying to save it, including me is largely wasting their time. Quote Harry Reid: That war is lost.
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I am going to dismiss the whole “GOP disses blacks” thing because nowhere – in either party I might add- is it written that blacks are to be dissed. Individuals are the ones doing the dissing and lets face it. There are a lot of well-meaning white people who say dumb things on TV out of ignorance and pandering is something a lot of people do, not out of malice but because they don’t know any better.. I’m not stupid. I can tell people who manufacture gaffes and engage in a little political incorrectness from the true racists, regardless of political affiliation and racism does go both ways. Its wrong regardless of direction.
Now I cant speak for the black community. I don’t have the magical powers liberals seem to have in order to do that. What I will tell you is that Regan lowered taxes on my father. Quick story – when he got paid he handed the money to my mother who (was a housewife) paid the bills. When he got paid extra, he laid the extra cash in my hand and told me where it came from, lower taxes taken from his pay from IBM. It’s a powerful statement. Well, that money left my hand 30 seconds later, into the hands of my mother who used it to take care of business, proclaimed she was not cooking and demanded we go to Red Lobster. – Direct benefit to a black family of 4 (while shortening our lives with all that fried-scrimp) OK? That’s pretty clear to me.
Success stories are not manufactured in the halls of government. Many success stories have however, ended there. The only success stories I know are of my Dad (RIP), I’d say my brother but he is too old to let go of the 70’s social unrest, and my own success story still in the making. I really don’t have time to monitor everyone else.
CNN ran a story about a young black girl who benefitted from school choice. Long story short, she did exceptionally well in private school, dem’s got elected, her mom is struggling to get the cash together so she can stay in. There is an example of a success story ending in the halls of government.
Neither Glenn beck, Rush Limbaugh nor Shawn Hannity can raise my taxes or send my children to their deaths. They hold no office and there fore aren’t the GOP. That job belongs to Michael Steele’s sorry ass. My point here is, that if Glenn Beck says something, the GOP didn’t, Glenn Beck did. I could start in on MSNBC and be just as wrong for directly tying them to the DNC even though they seem to be blatant about wanting to do so. They are called pundits and commentators, not elected officials.
Now I know I am about to get savaged. That always happens here. So before you do, consider the following: I have not called women bitches in public, robbed, raped, prostituted, or murdered anyone, sold drugs or written songs about doing any of those things. Yet I still don’t understand how what comes out of *my mouth* is a blight on the black community an a problem that needs to be stamped out.. And AB, your right, because I have not done any of the aforementioned things, instead adopting a life of honest labor (if that’s what you want to call writing software) it makes me very un-cool.
@ Daedalus:
You and Spool either can't or won't see how the line between "Beckism" (as I'll call it here, though he's really among the least loathsome of the firebreathers) and the GOP mainstream has for years been blurring. Individuals like you guys aren't the issue--it's the unified voice of those the party
puts foward, or allows to BE put forward on their behalf.
The Palins out there want to eradicate that line completely. If they succeed, how long will it be before you realize it's happened?
Been off work for a few months recuperating from an accident and found my way to this site somehow. DAMN, Gina! It seems so exasperating, all the cultural and political permutations one must consider just because one is black. AB, don't you get to the point where you get worn out with this stuff? What's the end game? Take care and best wishes.
Damn Dog, that was some of the realist shit you ever threw down. I'm not a Black conservative but like you, I do tend to vote Repub locally and Demo nationally to balance things out. I don't feel everyone is entitled to prosperity they won't work for. In a capitalist society some people ARE going to fall through the cracks. It's up to me to not be one of them. I have to admit a few of your arrows hit pretty close to home. I was often times the Oreo brotha who thought I was "better" than a lot of them other negros I went to school with, never mind that a lot of them other negros are doing better than I am today. A white girl once told me her dad said "I wouldn't want you dating black guys but if you did I'd want it to be Dubbayoo".
I like how you brought it all home in saying our worst enemy is not the Republican party, it's ourselves.
I had to rethink the situation and examine this before I post.
The only Black Republicans (or Conservatives if you want to be politically correct) that I know that I can really say have done something out of improvement within community-wise are J.C. Watts (1 of 2 African-American Republicans that have held a U.S. Representative Seat since re-construction), Colin Powell (the general), and Charles Evers (Medgar Evers brother). Other than that, I have not seen any Black Republican improve anything.
With that being said I am agreeing and one-upping AB by saying that most of the Black Republican is not Republicans because of their beliefs. That one is total BS. Talking to some African – American Conservative, most of them have a personal mentality issue within their own identity. I am not saying that every Black Republican cannot have their beliefs, I do believe everybody has an opinion, but most of them either have this stereotypical “I am better than you, and don’t you forget It.” issue or “I am going to try to recruit you like Uncle Sam” issue which does upset many people whether black or white. Those people are not likeable not because of their party affiliation, but they are just plain one-sided (some Democrats are like that too). They do not understand that sometimes you can help your community and not move out is better than just playing this “blame the other negro” spiritual.
Now for those conservatives that are African-Americans, I have a question. If you all are so worried about the people, how come since after reconstruction the GOP only had two African- Americans in the U.S. Representatives and only one in the U.S. Senate? Before reconstruction, the GOP had many U.S. Representatives and Senators in the south (notably Hiram Revels, Joe Rainey, John R. Lynch, Robert Smalls, and Blanche K. Bruce) and one was even a governor (P.B.S. Pinback). How come the black GOP can’t remind them that it was Nixon who brought the Southern Strategy (get people who do not like minorities) and make a change for the better and not for the worse?
And whoever feels like this is BS facts, challenge me. I can get proof on my facts
Daedalus:
A few points, though I agree with a lot of what you said.
1) While you say "Support the party that provides strong governance"........what does the INCUMBENCY of one party that is presently running things WITHIN the Black Community translate into with regard to the proportional indictment?
2) Do you agree that the most abundant source of our "civic services" comes to a community from the LOCAL government? Thus after years of "Sold Out Negroes" following through on the deal that they made with the Democratic Party - NOW that they control all of the key institutions within our community WHY DO THEY KEEP looking past "LOCAL DEMOCRATS" and instead attack "NATIONAL REPUBLICANS"?
3) WHO in the Black community should stand up and render PUNISHMENT to the forces who stand within our community that sold our community on the notion that upon REMAINING UNIFIED as Black people and voting one way so that we are not split as a VOTING BLOCK that with this power we could make the changes that would BENEFIT our community? In truth they knew that their backroom deal to FUSE our RACIAL INTERESTS with the DEMOCRATIC PARTY INTERESTS - we'd get more "Portraits of Black people hanging on the walls".
The one point that I was confused about in AB retort was that he made use of the "Treatment of Obama" as the KEY REFERENCE for how a party has "disrespect for Black people". I question why there is not tangentially more scorn for the "Urban Strategy" that has been run in conjunction with the "Democrats who are Black", embedded within - able to access the "secret places" within our community without arousing suspicion about their real agenda.
Ironically where as a Republican is attacked for making judgements about the economic condition of a few WEALTHY people and thus making the inference that "all is grand in America"......AB seeks to pull ONE BLACK MAN out of a grand total of 40,000,000 Negroes and index the worth of a party on HOW HE IS TREATED by the adversarial party.
I have learned how to debate the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism Chaser over time. The key point that I notice is that you all would rather talk Democrat/Republican; Conservative/Liberal rather than key in upon the PERMANENT INTERESTS of our community and the erect a TRANSPARENT APPRAISAL AUTHORITY which evaluates the efficacy of which ever bundle of METHODOLOGIES one faction chooses to apply versus another in pursuit of these permanent interests. In this context a POLITICAL PARTY is merely a VESSEL upon which these METHODS are applied for propulsion.
At the end of the day AB - I am ONLY asking that you and I be BOUND TO THE SAME RULES OF JUDGMENT. From which YOU and others who reside in the PREVAILING ORDER will have to explain WHY so many of our PERMANENT INTERESTS are being violated in the City of Baltimore, for example DESPITE having the "paper profits" of FAVORABLE PEOPLE IN OFFICE.....just as you have so doggedly worked for.
By the way AB - WHO did you vote for when Ehrlich/Steele ran against "The Wire" Mayor/First Black Democrat Be Put Forth For Statewide Office In MD History?
Smoking Ace: Could you provide a DETAILED LIST of the material accomplishments that you'd pat JC Watts and Coin Powell on the back for? I want to see how many Black Republicans AND Democrats live up to your list.
Thank you in advance.
[quote]“I am better than you, and don’t you forget It.” issue or “I am going to try to recruit you like Uncle Sam” issue which does upset many people whether black or white. Those people are not likeable not because of their party affiliation, but they are just plain one-sided (some Democrats are like that too)
Smoking Ace:
1) Why is the assumption of "I am better than you' shown by the scapegoat Black Conservative who has no power MORE CONTEMPTIBLE than the what is readily seen in the Educated Progressive who KNOWS BETTER? Despite having reached middle class status with certain key processes that he can attribute his success to I as a frequent observer of them note that they believe that certain other "damaged Blacks" are not able to endure the same standards that they upheld during their own trek.
Thus while they seek to instill these high standards in THEIR OWN CHILDREN, they too frequently allow the Black kids born from someone else to be indoctrinated with policies and programs that THEY WOULD NEVER allow their own children to endure.
When they move out to Prince Georges County MD - DESPITE the fact that their own community is run with these HIGH STANDARDS OF GOVERNANCE - they continue to VOTE for people who govern at the county or state or national level that assume that the "poor Black" is inferior and must be "helped" lest bad things happen.
WHY IS "LIKABILITY SO IMPORTANT TO YOU?
We have schoolboard full of LIKABLE people
We have mayor's offices full of LIKABLE people
We have city councils in which all of the UN-LIKABLE people have been purged.
WHEN DO YOU use your "intellectual curiosity" to begin to ask: "ARE THE PEOPLE WHO I LIKE PER MY PRESENT BIASES........REALLY DELIVERING UPON MY PERMANENT INTERESTS?
LIKABILITY = POPULARITY
POPULARITY DOES NOT = EFFECTIVENESS
My only question is about the FRAMEWORK by which the APPRAISAL IS DONE.
Today the "All White Jury In Black America" seriously skews the judgement of the scrutiny of THEMSELVES and of competing ideas TO OUR OWN DETRIMENT.
I'm not wishing to get into the back and forth discussion that is going on here. I just wanted to say that I found the blog post interesting. I read it very early this morning during a bout of insomnia and almost commented, but all I would have said is that I've reached my Glenn Beck quota for the month.
Damnit, man you did it again. Stop Making Sense (c) Talking Heads
Black Conservatives will be better served the day they stop referring to themselves as Black Conservatives. You cannot want to be included yet separate yourselves with that term.
Those of you who are wishing black conservatives would call out the establishment for Nixon and the 70s must not have read that interview I did...
For the record I like your sports stuff, AverageBro. That is especially true when you write about the NBA. However, I’ll take this one here any day of the week! You came with some fire this morning.
I hear everything you wrote. The main thing that gets me is the unwillingness of self identified black conservatives to call out the not-so fringe element of their party. Nor do they call out the blatant pandering to that group. People like Hannity, Beck, and Rush continually stoke the flames of the worst element in the Republican Party and black conservatives just sit on their thumbs and nod. To be fair, there have been some to speak up. But they are either too insignificant to be heard or they get shut down with the quickness. See how quick Mike Steele jumped back into pocket when he spoke his mind on Rush? That’s what I am talking about.
I am not a fan of the Democrats, believe me. I live in California and they run this state. I have seen their work up close, and personal. I have been an independent voter for over decade. Neither group impresses me. I am not under any illusions when it comes to political affiliation or ideology. Sometimes we need “Liberal” policies. Sometimes when need “Conservative” policies. I understand you play the game to get certain results. It just seems like the Conservative/Republican side requires black men to be psychologically castrated just to play on their side.
It amazes me that the party that supports policies leading to permanent government dependency and generational poverty is NOT the one considered 'paternalistic'.
There's some pathology here but I'm not sure it's to be found in the black Republicans...
Let's not abuse that word "pathology." To me, pathology is what lets you randomly kill people without remorse, not subscribing to wrongheaded political beliefs.
(Unless those political beliefs advocate wanton slaughter, which some indeed do advocate.)
That's not the definition though:
Def. of Pathology.
The reason people use it is that they want to suggest black Republicans have some sort of mental sickness or condition. Which is, of course, exactly the sort of insult I've come to expect from the left. It's not that they disagree, it's that they're sick people who need help.
And we're the paternalistic ones? Please.
@ Spool:
Ah yes---me knows the takes-two-to-tango dance of which thou speaketh.
Which pundit was it wrote a book called something like "Liberalism is a Mental Illness"?
But whatever. We both the dance already. I prefer to remain a wallflower at most of the dances---though I guess that's partly 'cause I never show up with a date.
@spool32: Generational poverty are not a byproduct of nor is encouraged by any party. It is in fact the direct result of the capitalist economy within which we live.
GET IT RIGHT!
In the case of poor Black people and other minorities. You show me just how getting a late start has not affected poverty but can be attributed to liberal politics as you say.
Frankly, what you say or said is nothing but foolish conser5vative talking points - there's nothing but opinion expressed without any empirical evidence to support your claim, and that's just plain dumb.
Constructive Feedback,
JC Watts is not only the first African America Republican who only just being one of two African Americans Republicans who was a U.S. Representative, not only he is the first African American elected in the state Oklahoma, but also the first African American that has held a U.S. Representative seat as a Republican in the South. That is a rarity in the south being that over 90% of people in the South that are African Americans vote Democrat. Colin Powell is not only an Advocate for OUR Armed Forces, but also an advocate for education which is an important part of my beliefs in the United States.
As far as being likable leading to popularity and not results. That is the reason people are elected. I like Bobby Jindal because he provides results in his state. I like Travis Childers because he provides result in his demographics. Yes politicians have to make decisions, whether good or bad, but they do for the best of their demographics. I can give you Democrats who are doing a crappy job in their demographics and will still get elected. That is what make people likable whether Democrat or Republican.
As far as the "I am better than you" quote, I don't have to answer that. You are really making that clear by how you are typing.
Spool:
I will clarify that Southern Strategy thing for you. I did commend you on your post about Black Republicans because you had some pretty decent points. Just think about how it was before Jim Crow and Reconstruction and look how Nixon played the role - reversal of the party. I believe you do know about it but like Beck said now we may have to reset these parties.
Welfare dependence creates generational poverty. Is it the only factor? Certainly not, but it is a root cause. Policies that advocate more dependence on the State create, surprise surprise, more dependence on the State.
A culture of dependence is damaging, in the long term, to a culture of ambition and success. Advocates of more dependence are advocates for more poverty and less success. Who are the advocates for dependence in the political arena? The Democrats.
Opportunity is the CURE for generational poverty, not the cause. What economic system creates the most opportunity? The capitalist one. Capitalism is not the cause of poverty, it is the answer to poverty, in any meaningful sense that there can be an 'answer'.
Feel free to bring up concepts like 'getting a late start". The current educational system we have is dramatically broken, and the strongest advocates for change and improvement are those who stand in opposition to the sclerotic unionized product of a Democrat worldview.
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@marbles:
I'll see your one book writer and raise you "the reality-based community". I absolutely refuse to concede this point to you... ther eare a lot of ways conservatives demonize the left, but the concept that the other side isn't wrong but insane, mentally disturbed, living in a fantasy world, toweringly ignorant, or imbued with evil is a leftist concept through and through.
Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas; liberals think conservatives are bad people.
Posts in this thread bear out that generality quite nicely.
@Spool32: See how you missed the connection between "getting a late start" and race? That's cool, conservatives generally do that sorta thing - especially the Black ones who condemn the behaviors of poor people without giving a damn about what most of them are born into. Or just how the social construct of race coupled with the systematic workings of institutionalized racism works.
But hey, speaking of policy that's designed to keep people poor for generations?
Those Bush tax cuts sure did help the poor, no?
Still waiting for empirical evidence to support what you say about generational poverty by the way. Spare me the talking points and show and prove.
Conservative talking points on race (most things actually) don't make sense because the country's trended republican for the past 20 years. When you bitch about something, get power, then bitch about the same thing 20 years later... YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS. Case in point, you can't make talking points about welfare when welfare reform happened in 1994. The playing field has already changed. Black people voting 90 percent democrat doesn't change the fact we had Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush Jr. The conservative revolution happened whether or not it was supported by minorities (which it wasn't). And that revolution failed resoundingly. That context is alone is enough to make me roll my eyes at what any conservative says, including black conservatives.
But the thing that gets me about black conservatives is the fact that the current conservative coalition is fundamentally born out of anti civil rights sentiment. There is nothing noble regarding the history of a good deal of conservative positions. Southerner's didn't like Goldwater's federalism because they were for small government, they liked it because they didn't want segregation to be broken by the federal government. And so on and so forth. But that's really just a personal problem for me, not necessarily a problem with black conservative logic... at least in this case
I did miss the connection, Rippa... honestly, I don't know what connection you're talking about, at all.
Mind spelling out for me what you're talking about?
Data points to follow. Also, Derek I don't think it's correct at all to say that the 1994 Republican Revolution failed. Assertions, as Rippa has said, are pretty meaningless all in all. I do appreciate the argument against the recent claim that the country is trending left, though.
I welcome any attempt to argue that minorities are worse off now than they were in 1979. Feel free to try and prove that!
:)
Somewhat off topic but maybe not-one of the biggest differences in wealth between blacks and whites is the value of homes passed from one generation to the next.
Homes owned by Blacks are not worth as much because of de facto segregation-often hypersegregation in some areas. Most whites do not wish to live around Blacks so the market reflects that in home prices.
That is one thing that neither party is addressing and is one of the big problems in American society today.
@Spool32: Read this recent report HERE. The income gap for minorities are wider now than any other time in history as far as recessions go my friend. Lemme guess, that's a direct result of them all voting Democrat?
Wow. A lot of longwinded double talk to try to explain where all these Black conservatives are hiding. I would argue that the majority of blacks identify themselves as liberals or either libertarian scale model (Ron Paul) than a conservative (Beck, Hannity, ect). It’s funny but in all my dealing at work, home, and play I have yet to meet a true black conservatives in the flesh. I constantly see them on TV and print, web forums, ect but never met one.
The irony is far as economics and free market ideology I completely agree with conservatism but it’s on social, privacy, and issues of race where I have to go off the reservation. My biggest problems with these black conservatives is they are always trotted out on TV to make racist generalizations of blacks (perfect example Elders ) or to apologize for racist statements from whites.
I voted for McDonald this election cycle even though I had some misgivings about his social issues. Blacks definitely need to start showing more independence and get off the Democratic plantation. On the hand it doesn’t mean they should embrace the elements of a political party that clearly shows disdain at the least and outright racism to them at its worst. In conclusion I say choose the best man for the job and don’t worry about sipping the Democratic Kool-Aid or being a Right wing tool.
@ Derek:
"But the thing that gets me about black conservatives is the fact that the current conservative coalition is fundamentally born out of anti civil rights sentiment."
YES, YES AND TRIPLE YES.
There are certain issues I'm very conservative about. But I cannot bring myself to associate with many of the people falling on the conservative side of those issues, because the history of their motivations makes me very uncomfortable. (Hell, screw history---a lot of their CURRENT motivations make me uncomfortable. You won't find directly racist platforms, but you will find other draconican social agendas.)
For example, I understand Constructive Feedback's broken-record mantra regarding "long term interests." (You don't have to be black to agree that those things are needed for any community to thrive.) But I'll be damned if I'm going to throw my hat in with backward-looking, ignorance-exploiting tribalists to realize them.
@ Spool:
"Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas; liberals think conservatives are bad people."
Conservatives like YOU think that.
And you're wrong. The diehard firebreathers don't think liberals are bad people. They think CENTRISTS are bad people.
Liberals, on the other hand, are demon spawn.
It is simply not arguable that the level of boiling, irrational hatred is in any way lopsided toward the left, here. I grant that adjusted for different language and context, maybe the scales are even. But heavier on the left? Well, all I can say is that you do an admirable job of only associating with nice people.
And by the way, I SO do not want to hear anybody using "reality-based community" as a some kind of rhetorical weapon against the left. That's like Bill Clinton somehow trying to use "I didn't inhale" against some some clean-cut GOP figure. (bad analogy but I couldn't think of anything equally horrifying the left has said, though I know there must be examples.)
SIMPLY AMAZING!!!
[quote]Generational poverty are not a byproduct of nor is encouraged by any party. It is in fact the direct result of the capitalist economy within which we live.
IF the "capitalistic establishment" is the CAUSE of poverty......I sure would like to know what is causing the poverty in Guatemala, Laos and Chad?
In Physics - "Hot and Cold" are non-scientific terms. Instead there is HEAT and ABSENCE OF HEAT. A "cold" mass gets "hot" when HEAT ENERGY is transferred to it via some medium.
The same is true that "wealth" and "poverty". The defacto state of the human being sans a SYSTEM of WEALTH AGGREGATION AND CREATION is POVERTY!!!!
Those who are "wealthy" are positioned in a system in which they are able to Trade something of value and receive financial resources in return. Those who are "poor" are either outside of a system of aggregation and trade of resources OR they are positioned inside of the system where they are not able to leverage market power to their favor.
I struggle to understand how you can "MAKE someone poor". Yes you can SUPPRESS him from executing upon his own abilities or systematically deny his fair participation inside a given system. This is SUPPRESSION rather than 'MAKING SOMEONE poor'.
In addition I struggle to understand how some of you fail to see how your economic ideology is a suppressive force as well.
[quote]In the case of poor Black people and other minorities. You show me just how getting a late start has not affected poverty but can be attributed to liberal politics as you say.[/quote]
THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY SO RiPPa.
IF an Africa that had never been molested by colonialism and the taking of its people for use in other lands THIS DOES NOT SPEAK TO the prevailing economic system THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN adopted within these lands.
WHAT IF there was a conscious decision that the masses valued the natural, God given state of the land and thus they banned all mineral extraction for use in the global market? Instead the only commerce allowed was that which was bound to tradition.
This would not have been a "Late Start", RiPPa but SURELY this would not bring the wealth of resources TO MARKET and thus actually EXPRESS the value of such to the people who control it.
THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT SLAVERY AND COLONIALISM. I ONLY stated that your claim of "Late Start" does not encompass the entire dimension of the question.
Pursuant to the writs, I must say "Yo Nupe!!!" to Adinasi and AB.
That is all.
[quote]As far as being likable leading to popularity and not results. That is the reason people are elected.[/quote]
Smoking Ace:
My point is that this likability index can also produce VOTER NULLIFICATION where, as it is the case in many Black voting districts - the people can tell you more of what they HATE about the adversary than what the person who gets their vote time and time again has done.
To be clear (and I hope my friend AB is reading this) - for some people the question is not "What has the GOP done to EARN the Black vote?"
The sad question that must be brought forth is: What must the incumbent Democratic Machine do in the way of crossing a line of these people's respect and consciousness for them to see that VOTING in and of itself has failed to advance their Permanent Interests".
I don't know that this point of degradation has even been defined yet. As it nears the Democrats will dispatch a "Democrat who is Black" to our communities to remind us all of everything that they have done for us. That our present set of grievances are nothing more than UNGRATEFULNESS.
(For some of you the opposite of DEMOCRAT is REPUBLICAN. This is only true in the American Political Domain.
In the Black Community Cultural Consciousness Domain the fact is WE WERE SOLD A METHODOLOGY by which we could achieve more universal progression. The point that needs to be PUT ON TRIAL is not "Well what would the GOP do?" Instead it MUST BE "HAD WE INVESTED OUR FOCUS inward and elsewhere WHERE WOULD WE BE STANDING NOW AS A PEOPLE - now that we have control over our own communities yet are still aggrieved?
Sadly the failure to build up the infrastructure in our "community cultural consciousness" has it where after the hope is lost in VOTING the only thing that the frustrated masses have to resort to is a RIOT.
A RIOTING mob represents the absolute and final NO CONFIDENCE VOTE in the System. That "trying harder", "playing by the rules" and "waiting your turn" is no longer a credible course of action.
WHO within the Black Establishment should be held accountable for SELLING us upon the VOTING methodology while at the same time having failed to work on the internal superstructure by which human resource management and community management is distributed to the periphery of our communities?
Oh yeah - this is the post (from Dereck) that made me turn around an not hang out tonight.
[quote]Black people voting 90 percent democrat doesn't change the fact we had Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush Jr. The conservative revolution happened whether or not it was supported by minorities (which it wasn't).[/quote]
Dereck:
WHY is it more concerning for you that the "National Republicans' that you listed above got into office but you say NOTHING about the "PROGRESSIVE MONOPOLY" that totally dominate where Black people live in our highest concentrations?
THERE ARE NO VOTING DISTRICTS where there is a 35%+ BLACK voting base that is controlled by REPUBLICANS!!!!
Yet for some reason you are pervert things and look past the failures of LOCAL DEMOCRATS as you attack "National Republicans".
The question of your children's education has more to do with those who OPERATE these facilities locally than anything that the national government can do. The feds HAND OUT MONEY. IF you want the money - you have to follow their policies.
[quote] And that revolution failed resoundingly. That context is alone is enough to make me roll my eyes at what any conservative says, including black conservatives.[/quote]
Dereck - could you tell us about how the "Urban Strategy" from the Democrats has worked for the Black Community?
IS THIS JUST A COINCIDENCE about where Black Economic interests have been most ERODED Dereck?
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/10/tale-of-misery-hotspots-for-black-male.html
WHY do you concern yourself with the "failure" of the National Conservative Revolution instead of how your interests have been FAILED despite you being a full participant rather than the opposition critic who was more skeptical?
[quote]But the thing that gets me about black conservatives is the fact that the current conservative coalition is fundamentally born out of anti civil rights sentiment.[/quote]
(So tired)
Derek:
THE GREATEST VIOLATIONS OF BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS TO-DAMNED-DAY is happening WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY!!!!
* Witness Intimidation
* Justice In Their Own Hands
* Low Homicide Closure Rates
* Jury Nullification
WHO has more of an "Anti-Civil Rights Agenda" than does the STREET PIRATES and those who seek to turn them into POLITICAL operatives by having them take to the stage and convince Blacks to vote?
These type of entertainers are the VOICE of the KILLERS OF BLACK PEOPLE.
Everybody hold up, Let Constructive Feedback and Spool answer this question.
Can you tell me what have Republicans done for minorities?
If you can't and I can you are not as Conservative as you think you are. To make things worst I am a person of the Swing Party.
No beating around the bush, no talking against Dems. Make your point.
quote from spool:
Welfare dependence creates generational poverty. Is it the only factor? Certainly not, but it is a root cause. Policies that advocate more dependence on the State create, surprise surprise, more dependence on the State.
A culture of dependence is damaging, in the long term, to a culture of ambition and success. Advocates of more dependence are advocates for more poverty and less success. Who are the advocates for dependence in the political arena? The Democrats.
Opportunity is the CURE for generational poverty, not the cause. What economic system creates the most opportunity? The capitalist one. Capitalism is not the cause of poverty, it is the answer to poverty, in any meaningful sense that there can be an 'answer'.
Okay, Spool is making a point, but what about you Constructive, can you name something or all you are is just a someone who just listen to news and don't see reality in your backyard?
First of all, this was an excellent post, even without the personal shout out :-)
My own mom cringes at my inherent conservatism, yet I laugh at how so much of it at the core came from my 'liberal', pro-union, yet God-fearing Christian (Catholic) parents. Point #5 of this post is a big issue with me, and partly why I cannot register as a Republican because of the non-sense that some folks perpetrate.
I don't even like labeling myself as 'conservative.' When I advocate 'free markets' I'm advocating the right of an individuals and enterprises to choose their own social, educational, and financial destiny, and be willing to accept the consequences of those choices. As an engineering student a professor once said, "When in doubt, read the instructions;" the instructions for the USA are the Constitution, and anything that's inconsistent or antithetical to it draws my opposition.
Brother AB, I will chide your question a bit: 'talking point' has become a pejorative, yet facts and data can't be wisked away under that label. The last charter school at which I taught people of color were beating down the door to enroll, vehement in their resistance to enrolling their children into the local public middle school. Many of our fellow, prosperous Brothers in my peer group 'got phat' during Reagan-Bush 41. This may not be quantitative data but it does support your thesis that us folks will achieve WHEN WE CHOOSE TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES, which ultimately supports my tenet of being free to choose your own destiny versus a limited few choosing what's best for us. I'll choose the unease and diligence of liberty versus the placating straightjacket of tyranny any day, any time, any place.
I think what's at issue for me is what Max Reddick from soulbrother v.2 did today on his blog, black conservatives and/or black Republicans tend to do this us vs. them a bit too much for me and they're quite public about it. Granted black liberals and black Dems do the same with regards to those that oppose them as well.
Another issue that blacks in general seem to have is that none of us seem to handle opposing opinions well. Since most people, Dems and Repubs view themselves as free thinking individuals, its a moot point to say that one side is spouting nothing more than talking points of the party platform. What results is that you got a whole bunch of people running around suffering from "I'm the Only Enlightened One Syndrome" and nothing gets accomplished.
I just think what self professed black conservatives and black Republicans suffer from are just bad arguments.
What black Republicans and black conservatives tend to forget is that when dealing with the rest of black Americans the uniqueness of the black cultural experience from Africa through slavery and through the modern civil rights era trumps all other arguments. Essentially you have one group arguing the validity of apples and another talking about oranges. Both are still talking about fruit, but still fruit that grows on different trees.
To address the belief that due to religion blacks are more aligned with the GOP or with conservative values is a toss up at best and a misnomer at worst. Its a toss up because I dip off to a COGIC church at night and the Sunday after Obama's election, the saints went in the gate and got a praise break off the ground when the pastor mentioned Obama. But this is from a denomination that doesn't fully ordain women in ministry nor do they open and affirm homosexuals (although, DAMN, at this church, it's quite clear who's who). Well, let some tell the story, this should be a church that should support the GOP and conservative thought processes. And of course on the other side of the spectrum, you have churches like Trinity United Church of Christ that still is biblically based and is a clear Christian church (contrary to popular opinion) that espouses the liberal values of the Christian faith.
Parenthetically speaking:
Lisa whatsherface sounded like a blithering idiot. Honestly, anyone black or white who dares to say that blacks should be thankful for coming here--oh excuse me, landing here, dear Lord, what I want to say about her is soooooo not right at all. To allude to the fact that we should be thankful for the slave experience is to have bought into mindset of Americanity lock, stock and barrel and that's an issue that's transcendent of race, religion, gender, and party affiliation.
And to the brother who carried a briefcase as a kid, to openly and easily equate him getting beat up because he wasn't to "be something" sounds like a cockamamie story that just made a good lead in to the program. AB was right, that was just kids being kids. Kids did the same thing with other bookbags I'm sure.
WHY do you INSIST on using so many capital letters? Emphasis? Or just to SOUND LIKE A DOUCHE.
Smoking Ace:
I am one step ahead of you on your question.
[quote]Can you tell me what have Republicans done for minorities?[/quote]
The BEST thing that Republicans have done for the African-American community was....TO MOVE AWAY FROM US. (Please read my ENTIRE argument before hating)
At a time when there was a interminable conflict over RESOURCE ALLOCATION at the local level as Black and White resided in the same school districts, the same cities, the same police districts - endless battles ensued in the post Civil Rights period. Now mind you prior to this period BLACK PEOPLE WERE SUPPRESSED and thus the Whites dictated how the resources would be allocated.
From their departure came BLACK and/or Democratic (of any color) POLITICAL CONTROL over the places that had the highest concentrations of Black people.
The MOTIVATIONS for these Whites moving being racist is subordinate to the fact that from this departure WE AS BLACK PEOPLE were now free to implement "our own agenda" based on "our own priorities".
From this came Black city council men and Black mayors. Black county board members and majority control over the school boards who educate our children.
Simply put, Smoking Ace - WE were left "all alone" to promote our own interests. (You like that use of "we" by a Black Conservative, Soul Brother?)
Unfortunately so many of our leaders were marinated with the fight against "Whitey" that they too often failed to make note of the great potential of what they now had at hand. They controlled the Public Safety, Education, Economic Development and Public Health concerns of large populations of Black people right in their hands of power.
I get frustrated with YOUR version of "What have conservatives ever done for Black people" question for it is almost exclusively based upon what have they GIVEN US in the way of a transfer payment. (And you know I am not lying).
Obama, the Federal Democrats and the local Progressive machine of today represent a tacit admission of FAILURE of the "Urban Strategy" that has been hoisted upon the Black people of this nation for more than 50 years. Please note that they took over industrial powerhouses several decades ago. These cities were built up due to their production and the need for labor. Our people were called up from the South in order to fill the production jobs in Rochester, Cleveland, Detroit, Camden, Newark, Akron, Flint and Gary.
As the present political regime took over these places, largely riding upon the Organized Labor Movement - they believed that they were now in the catbird seat in their fight against their prime enemy - the CAPITALISTIC CORPORATIONS that were "exploiting" labor and "polluting" the environment.
Smoking Ace - the popular language paints these progressive forces as the heroes for justice and economic equality. Underdeveloped is the language that assess the DAMAGE that they did to the long term economic interests of the areas that they took over. The "Industrial Belt" is now the "Rust Belt". Some see it as merely a coincidence that this - one of the most Democratic controlled regions of the nation is also the one that is dying economically.
Their new plan is to NATIONALIZE that which their policies destroyed when they took over at the periphery.
The loyal BLACK MAN is there along with him as he foments his national strategy. This will only temporarily allow him to mask over the failures of his local policies. Once the central government is loaded up with resource demands then will the higher federal taxes be seen. Once that hungry hearth furnace is shown to have an insatiable appetite the CUTS and rationing that those who are marketing this new era of progressivism today deny will happen will indeed be forced upon us.
In summary, Smoking Ace, the REMOVAL of the Republican from your midst allowed you to come face to face with the impact of our own policies. YOU did not like what you saw so your only hope was to EXPAND, seeking to ensnare those who moved away from you.
THEIR resources are a critical component of YOUR standard of living. A standard that you have failed to show that you can produce on your own. Thus under the guise of "SOCIAL JUSTICE RIGHTS" you work to force your ideological and racial adversary INTO your "Friends and Family Calling Circle" so that YOU can benefit from the free minutes that he affords you.
A good Thanksgiving Day treat from AB would be to see:
The Problem That I Have With The Democratic Machine That Dominates Every Single Black Voting District In America & Extends Vertically To The Federal Government And The Black People Who Maintain Its Grip Regardless Of The Results Rendered That Are Misaligned With Their Own Permanent Interests"
@Consturctive
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In summary, Smoking Ace, the REMOVAL of the Republican from your midst allowed you to come face to face with the impact of our own policies. YOU did not like what you saw so your only hope was to EXPAND, seeking to ensnare those who moved away from you.
THEIR resources are a critical component of YOUR standard of living. A standard that you have failed to show that you can produce on your own. Thus under the guise of "SOCIAL JUSTICE RIGHTS" you work to force your ideological and racial adversary INTO your "Friends and Family Calling Circle" so that YOU can benefit from the free minutes that he affords you.
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See that is the problem, too many caps. Emphasis and big Caps don't mean nothing to me. You are still beating around my question. I just want to know "Can you tell me what have Republicans done for minorities "Can you tell me what have Republicans done for minorities?" That is all. I told you spool answered the question with a good point. Adinasi answered the question with a good point and he came late gave clarification. You, on the other hand have not.
So just give me straight answer.
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