The Democrats cleaned the GOP's clock with Black voters last Fall, as nearly 95% of all Negroes cast their votes for The Beige One. While this sounds amazing, it's more or less in line with the percentage (90 or so) that the typical Democratic Presidential candidate pulls. Simply put, the Dems can more or less roll out any ole' mediocre dude (ie: Dukakis) and automatically count on getting a large majority of Black votes. Many say this is unwise since it leads to an "all eggs in one basket" situation. Still, it's little surprise that the GOP didn't even make a token push for the Black vote last year. And it's little surprise that this cost them.
[Editor's Note: Not that Black Americans are alone. A new Washington Post/ABC news poll says only 21 percent of people polled identified themselves as Republicans, down from 25 percent in a late March poll and at the lowest ebb in this poll since the fall of 1983. In that same poll, 35 percent self-identified as Democrats and 38 percent called them Independents. In other words, the Negro vote is the least of the GOP's problems.]
I'm of course an unaffiliated voter, but I can't personally ever see myself voting for a Republican President. Governors? Done it. State Senators? Done it. County Execs? Not yet, but if they could pave streets better, I'd do it. But President? Sorry, just can't bring myself to make that call. Yet.
It's often said that Black folks are perhaps the most Conservative people in America on social issues. From gay marriage, to abortion, to right to free speech. And like most Americans, I doubt Blacks like higher taxes or wasteful spending. Strictly on GP, it would seem like the GOP's message should be good enough to pull at least 50% of the Black vote.
So what's the problem? It ain't the message, it's the messengers.
Simply put, it's a lot more palatable to vote for someone who believes in half the stuff you do and treats you with some modicum of respect than it is to vote for someone who believes in half the stuff you do, yet treats you like the scum of the Earth.
Here's how the GOP's messengers screw up its message.
Political Ads - When it all comes down to it, the GOP would rather lapse into "Us vs Them" style of racial politricks than try and engage voters respectfully. Why the hell would you vote for someone who tries to pull a fast one like this? Witness the infamous Willie Horton Ad.
D-Bag Pundits - The GOP allows talking heads to run roughshod and talk all sorts of greasy about Negroes. Nobody ever puts these fools in check, so it's not unreasonably to assume these folks "speak for the party" to some degree. Do they think Black folks can't find the EIB Radio Network?
D-Bag Milquetoast Black Pundits - Where do they find these Negroes? Why is it that every Black Republican that gets to "speak for the party" is some milquetoast House Negro that can do little more than spit Talking Points and defend "Massa"? I know many Black Republicans who can clearly articulate the party's stances in a less defensive, and far more levelheaded fashion, but they only choose wackos like Ron Christie. And why do Black Republican Pundits always have jacked up haircuts? Are these guys scared to go to the hood' for a shape-up?
D-Bag GOP Politicians - How come everything something racist pops up, the politician of note is almost always Republican? Fellas, get beyond Tamron Hall and watch this.
D-Bag Republican Voters - Who could forget this guy? Yes, we know people like this exist on both sides of the aisle. But the problem is, how come out of the hundreds of other folks at this rally, nobody pulled this fella aside and said "hey, that might not be a good idea"? By simply standing aside (and laughing), they do little to quell the sentiment that the GOP isn't welcoming people of color. Why would anyone in their right mind want to walk into such a rally?
In the interest of fairness, we all know that Hilary Clinton arguably ran a more racially tinged race vs Obama last Fall. And yes, the Democratic Party has its own issues. The difference is, the Dems have enough people of color in house (ie: Jim Clyburn) to call out such nonsense when it happens. The GOP does no such self-policing. In fact, you could argue that it more or less fans the flames by either claiming reverse racism (WTH?), or doing nothing at all.
Again, the sad thing is, black folks (and all people of color. heck, all Americans period) need two viable parties to pick and choose from. This keeps both major parties on their feet. But when one party is so outwardly hostile, and doesn't appear to give a sh*t who gets offended in the process, it makes the decision for whom to vote so much easier. And that's a shame.
This is part of why I decided to fall back and quit ragging on Michael Steele a few weeks back. Yeah, the guy is a Grade-A clown and can't stay away from a camera, but he's probably the GOP's best (and last?) chance to change the tone of the messengers whose message seldom gets across. I want him to succeed, we all should. Whether he will or not is to be determined (my money says he'll be chased away by October), but lets give him a chance.
Seriously, could things get any worse?[1]
Question: If the GOP changed its messengers, do you think you'd be more receptive to their message? Does the GOP even have a genuine interest in doing so, or are they perfectly content/oblivious about their imminent extinction in a continually browning America? Do you think black folks in general are socially conservative?
The Republican Shrinkage Problem [WashPost]
[1] Wanna read something just downright disgusting? Peep this Townhall.com post, and more importantly, its comments. Who would support a party whose followers say such things about a First Lady?
Tuesday, April 28, 2009
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I highly doubt I will ever vote for a Republican candidate. I am a black woman who is NOT a social conservative; I am about as socially liberal as you can get. I do realize that many black people are socially conservative, and that if the Republican Party was not racist that a lot more black people would vote for Republican candidates. I do believe though that we need more than two political parties to choose from. I researched the platform of Cynthia McKinney (who, if you remember, ran for president on the Green Party ticket, I think?) and I found that I agreed with most of it but it would have been a waste of my vote to vote for her because she had no chance of winning. It's not fair that only two parties get to hold so much power.
Once upon a time I was a very conservative Republican. I voted for Baby Bush during his first run for office. I was anti-abortion. Anti-welfare. A proponent of having all couples undergo extensive counseling before being allowed to marry, to lessen the numbers of those who think its cute to say they have, "starter marriages". I saw Democrats as being morally loose and lazy. I remembered loving the aftermath of the Gore/Bush fiasco. Waiting to watch Ollie North pound Paul Begala into a pulp over Bush "rightfully" winning the 2000 race.
Then 9/11, Katrina and general life happened.
I then realized that Republicans saw themselves as doing no wrong. As feeling they're a part of the I'm Entitled brigade. Caring less about the little people, more so than they did about their own. I started feeling that no one can understand the hell a woman goes through when she decides to end a life inside of her. I saw them as being disinclined to include other races into their club, unless that alternative race would help their cause. Amongst other things.
I came to the conclusion that we're all equal. To make a long story short, I realized as long as the personal decisions someone made didn't hurt or effect me, I didn't give a damn what choices they made.
Life is short. I'll live mines and accept anyone else living there's as they see fit.
Today, I'd love nothing more than to walk behind O'Reilly or Hannity on a long flight of stairs,so I can sneakily push down, back into reality.
Black Republicans are too much for me to handle today. The one's I've come across, I've wanted to hold a mirror to their faces and remind them that they are indeed still black. That calling themselves a Republican won't automatically give them a piece of the grand life they assume white folks are born entitled to.
I would give examples but im too lazy to do so right now.
I will end this by saying I did vote for Bobby Jindal. Big mistake. Huge Mistake! Oh, and I voted for Obama. Point being that I stopped worried about putting myself into any particular box, rather than focused on the issues that said person running cared most about.
Well lemme go there first:
If I talked to Ron Christie on the phone I would think he's a white guy. A pencil pushing white guy who's a bookkeeper.
All y'all can have fun dissecting that one.
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I think changing messengers, not in the form of Michael Steele, would do better. But I think you've said it all AB, they've not once shown an interest in truly reaching out to African Americans in this country.
While blacks and generally socially conservative, our social liberalisms weigh out. It's only a small population, usually relegated to the theologically conservative segment of the black community that wrestles with how to vote. It's that segment of the black populace that makes up this 5-10% (+/-2%) that votes Republican. Blacks are more worried about health care in the form of adequate treatment for out chronic diabetes and high blood pressure than about abortion; we're more worried about school vouchers and PROPER educational funding than a state legislature passing a resolution in favor of Miss California's statement about gay marriage while in the same session cutting state funding for textbooks to $17 per student. But, if you want to see the biggest social conservativism, drop by any church during the 11 o'clock hour on Sunday morning and no telling what vile hatred gets spewed from the pulpit
On a side note, one of my friends told me that he voted for Bush in 2004 on the fact that Bush was the current Commander In Chief in the midst of a war and a regime change could have spelled disaster. I promptly disagreed, but anywayz, what got me was that he said he just couldn't vote for John Kerry cuz the man was too rich. When the picture of Kerry windsailing was released he said he was quite sure he was gonna vote for Bush. He said it was a hard decision and something he had thought about in the months leading up to the election, and on something as principled as that, I don't blame him for his decision.
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But, um, AB, you really have this thing with the Black community and the Republican Party. Nothing wrong with this post, but you've written on this topic numerous times. What's really working your nerves with this subject? I wonder if it goes deeper than what you're letting on.
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Has anyone else heard the story about the Fox Network, not to be confused with the Fox News Network wasn't planning on showing Obama's 100 Days Press Conference?
There is nothing they can do to undo the bullshit they have done since the days of Nixon and his "Southern Strategy".
They don't need the Black vote; never have and never will. The truth is, the party of Lincoln is bullshit. They always wanna throw up the tiured ass line that Lincoln freed the slaves and it was the democratic party who were racist. But they never tell you that Lincoln was himself a racist bastard who if he had his way would have given Negroes money to go the fuck back to Africa.
I'll stop for now...
Checkout this post:
If You're a Black Republican You're RacistI had an excellent conversation which showed just what I was saying by a Black conservative.
Black conservatives are clueless to the reality that is the republican/conservative ideology.
I'd advise anyone here to read the book "Democracy Matters" by Dr. Cornel West and get hip to the game. There is no true democracy when governed under republican rule because their interests are the ruling elite who are beholden to corporate America. This is why they push the Milton Friedman free market economics which somehow never trickles down to the working poor. They always talk shit about poor people and "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" but yet they have no problem with corporate welfare. Yup, screw the little guy.
I'll stop for now, but I'll ask...
HAS ANYONE SEEN A BROKE ASS BLACK REPUBLICAN?
I'm going to pimp my own blog post about the Republican party as response.
Here's the basic summary:
"For me to vote Republican the party would have to morph into a creature virtually unrecognizable from its current incarnation, working to address the interest of people from all walks of life, not just straight, Christian, white males. It has to show respect scientific advancement, make real strides in eliminating poverty, develop a foreign policy that seeks diplomacy first with a concerted effort, and quit trying to institute a theocracy."
Blacks in general are very socially conservative. I mean Soul train has been on for 30 years. Have you ever been to a black wedding that did not feature the electric slide? I know these are silly references but a more concrete example would be the fact that blacks still tend to reside in the same 15 states in the union and there isn't much venturing beyond those states.
As far as blacks and Republicans go there's no real reason to embrace another party right now especially when your party is on top. Both parties are Choc-ful of d-bags and sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know.
Actually I believe that the Republicans would be better suited to go after Hispanics rather than blacks because of the conservatism and deep rooted democratic entrenchment. Not to mention they are the fastest growing demographic in America right now. It will only be 18 short years for the demographic to become voting age. Currently the republican base (Old-assed white people) are diminishing quickly as they go from retirement age to the grave. They will need to new blood quickly.
I used to read the blog HiphopRepublican.com but found it to be so narrow-minded, self-conscious, and the commentary as full of holes as other GOP sites, that I stopped reading it.
I think the GOP will eventually shed it's old skin and we'll see a lot more people of color in the party. The problem is less about race and more about issues though- which I still think the GOP hasn't figured out yet. Their main, valid beef right now is spending. But, for example, they removed $800 million in the stimulus bill for strengthening our disease/pandemic fighting capabilities!
Now that's biting them in the ass with the Swine Flu. There's probably a bunch of out of work disease specialists who could really use the work right about now.
I agree. I was just talking to mom dukes about how I agree with some republican views. She almost put me out her house, lol. Black people always say "do you".....well, republicans definitely want you to do you. This welfare state we're in isn't cool for me, but grandma says we have to help the poor. I guess I don't know which side I like more, I just agree with a little bit from both sides. We should do away with party politics.
I usually get nailed for spouting that I vote along party lines, but, I say that until we get to the point that someone at least pretends that they like us, it will be the status quo.
One way to change is to start as you have - at the local level where it usually matters "less", groom those candidates, then put them into higher office - as a Republican, a Dem, A lib, whatever. By that time it's not a vote for a party, but a vote for a person. Until such time . . . how DARE you call me a Republican?! lol Peace.
AB,
I find your first question to be a bit of a non-starter. The GOP cannot and will not change its messengers. The GOP needs to keep the southern strategy going. Therefore, the Hannity's, Limbaugh's, Buchanan's, and Beck's of the world will always be employed to keep poor and ignorant whites scared and ready to vote against anything that could be perceived as helping brown people in anyway, even if those policies would also help poor and working class whites.
Also, "safe" negroes like Steele and Christie will always be needed to make the GOP appear balanced. But, because there are so few black GOPers, these guys are at best D-List political figures that are pushed to the front before their time. Have you ever seen Christie debate Roland Martin (not exactly A-list material himself)? Its just sad.
Therefore, I can never see myself being receptive to their message. The GOP has a major problem...Youtube. Youtube went online in early 2005, after the conclusion of the 2004 election. Prior to that Bush and Co. could talk out of both sides of their mouthes and no one was the wiser. Now, we know better. We know what GOPers (and blue dogs) are saying to majority white audiences and what they are saying to majority brown audiences. We are done being fooled. We are done believing in "compassionate conservatism." It never really existed.
As for socially conservative black folks, I think they are out there. But, social issues like AIDS/HIV and poverty hit too close to home for them to vote GOP. Blacks on all levels don't buy into the "boot straps" argument because they know what its like to be born without boot straps.
Ron Christie being a Republican is all the reason any reasonable person needs to not be a Republican.
BTW has anyone else heard that Fox Network is refusing to broadcast Obama's press conference tomorrow night?
paleface speaking:
One of the main things that grates about the GOP is, as you said, their revolting appeal to tribalism. There's always a big scary THEM. THEM THEM THEM. Ooga-booga! Dems can play that game, since it's politics by definition, but it is simply not in the same universe as the GOP version. (I laugh hysterically at people who say "Well, the right has Ann Coulter, the left has Michael Moore." As if there's ANY comparison...)
Unlike some family members, who blithely think of black Republicans as co-opted sellouts---I'm embarrassed to say that one of them use the term "Oreos"---I give them the benefit of the doubt if, like spool (where is he?) they come off as someone firmly grounded. But there's something a bit unsettling about people like Ron Christie. I don't like the term "emasculated" because it's rather hateful, but the word keeps coming to mind. I feel like some vampire sank his teeth into him and sucked out...something. Or like every time he's on TV, some goon is just out of camera range either pointing an AK-47 at his head or slowly turning the knob on a death-grip testicular vise.
If you queried my beliefs the average bro ;-) or sis, or anyone else, would classify me as 'conservative.' 'Liberal' and 'conservative', 'white' or 'black' conjure up too many stifling and ignorant schema in our minds that I try to only focus upon what works for me, or does not work. This is why I remain a registered independent for I cannot claim allegiance with either party: Democrats because I believe their core strategies don't hold up Constitutionally or against a free-market/individual liberty, or the Republicans in their current version because there are too many xenophobic crazies who call themselves Republicans. I consider too many Democrats phony-liberators who only seek to create a class of dependents (mostly colored folk) and too many Republicans as phony libertarians who seek to manipulate ignorance for their own monopoly of power.
Two sides of the same sorry coin.
However, on this subject, I got a little life lesson about making assumptions. I was working at this sleazy telephone polling company for $6.00 an hour, surrounded by people as poor and poorer than me. It's NYC, so it was a sea of pepper and cinnamon with only dashes of salt here and there.
We did polls that were ridiculously, obnoxiously Republican-biased. It was grotesque. (Seriously, there's slanted, there's biased, there's Fox News, and then there's these phone surveys. They're that bad.)
One night I started talking to the black woman next to me about my disgust. I boorishly thought "New York City, low-income, black, female---equals Dem." Well, she said, "Oh, so you're a Democrat?" I said, "Yeah," and her response was "Oh, so you're into big money, then?" If I'd been wearing a hat it would have hit the ceiling.
Putting aside the weirdness that someone in NYC, from her demographic, could have that PARTICULAR notion about Dems (for all their bullshit, that ain't part of it), I got a dose of reality in regards to making political assumptions about people, no matter how many stereotypes or cliches you have right in front of you.
News flash: Don't none of 'em like our black behinds, yet both parties have no problem GRINNING and SKINNING just long enough to USE us to achieve their political ends.
Why can't we flip the script and do the same thing?
@ Marbles
Paleface #2 here...yep, I learned about assumptions too. Matter of fact, since I started visiting AB.com I realized I really was just stereotyping AA's from politics to music. And I've had a "come to Jesus" a few times with posters that made me realize that the color of your skin does not define your beliefs/tastes/opinions.
Hell, who knew the AA community jammed to 80's white folks music the way they do on this site? LOL
To be perfectly honest--from a young age--I thought black repubs were "Uncle Tom's". As I look at it now that's probably a little harsh...
And I'd agree with Adinasi about the two party thing. It's a broke ass system. We need a 3rd & 4th party--where folks don't feel like we're wasting votes. If I vote for the Green Party candidate I want to feel like it counts for something...not a wasted vote or a protest vote against the dems or repubs.
I think Black folk are more socially conservative than a lot of people might think. The GOP tends to get a lot of Black spokespeople who are way out of the Black mainstream. The GOP has no real interest in reaching out to the Black voter; doing so might cost it votes among its base. The GOP is not going to change its tune on affirmative action or anti-discrimination laws.
The GOP is not oblivious to certain demographic changes but it hasn't decided yet whether it needs to moderate itself and reach out to some Hispanics and Asians or whether it should double down on motivating the conservative white base.
If only whites had voted, McCain would have won the last election, something that drives certain of the more unstable of the GOP faithful crazy.
I don't think any vote is ever wasted. People should always vote their conscience and let the chips fall where they may.
Messanger is part of the problem, but there are GOP candidates that can fluidly talk about race. Huckabee comes to mind. The real problem is that they have an aversion to engaging people on the basis of race. GOPers see racial identity politics as beneath them and antithetical to conservatism... even while they hypocritically play their own version of identity politics.
AB:
Don't tell me you're actually surprised by that Townhall.com thread.
I used to think Hillary-hatred was palpable, but it's nothing compared to the apocalyptic LOATHING these people have for Michelle Obama. I mean, they just hate that woman. HAAAAATE her.
(and some of the lower animals of their type have gone after the girls.) It's hard to believe these people are human beings.
(Did you EVER see even the most fire-breathing Bush hater say filthy things about Laura? I didn't.)
Like all those possessed by hatred, they are too stupid to realize that all they are doing is projecting.
@ Marbles
Actually yes I have seen some vile things said about Laura and W as well. it gets vile on BOTH sides. HuffPo and Daily Kos get pretty vile. I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said, "Barbara should have had an abortion". really? we are wishing death on people these days?
@ Dok:
That's one of the reasons I stopped going to Kos very often, and why I spent exactly one day at Democratic Underground before deciding never to come back. Once you become the very thing you think you're against, what's the point?
However, the key difference from my POV is that ugliness on one side is generally a specific reaction to something that only the other side has, that being an entrenched CULTURE of ugliness.
It's like the difference between a gang of bank robbers vs. a bunch of mafiosi.
*Fkk Rush Limbaugh in the eye with a hot comb. We know he's racist. We know David Duke is racist. Nothing we dont know. He's proud of it. Just like his comrade in blubber Bill Orally.
*And why do Black Republican Pundits always have jacked up haircuts?
Because they go to an old Caucasian army dOOd to get it done.
*Are these guys scared to go to the hood' for a shape-up?Yes. Not only would they get a bona fide whoopin just for being Republican, they would get called all kinds of Uncle Toms and shyt and a fight may ensue at the barber shop. And we cant be havin none of that.
*How come everything something racist pops up, the politician of note is almost always Republican?Remember that fable about the scorpion and the frog (or the fox in some cultures)-- its in their nature.
When I first saw Ron Christy on FAUX new one phrase came to mind and it's Effeminate Non-threatening Negro,
Jusus
@ Marbles, Dok
Why not go to the sites and just read the articles? I rarely visit the comments section. I get the daily updates of what I need/want and move on.
Not going to a website just because of the comments tends to limit the POV's you access. You're always going to have ridiculous comments but that should not negate the validity of the actual post. There are good articles on KOS & DU--minus the comments.
@ V Latte:
On your second paragraph:
Very good point.
To answer your first paragraph:
Pure morbidity. Guilty.
(At least I'm not into snuff.)
@ Marbles
Glad to know "snuff" is not your thing!! :-) (thanks for the laugh)
The extremists in the GOP have taken over the image of the party. Unless they change that (or the old GOP heads die off and get replaced by more practical leaders), the party will continue to be a turn-off to many.
But it seems as if the GOP doesn't even give a damn and genuinely believes that "we" are out to get "them". Maybe the party is suffering from dementia?.....
I'll give Ron credit. He hasn't changed in over 10 years. He believes firmly in what he says.
I went to law school with him at George Washington. We both worked on Capitol Hill, and I would occasionally give him a ride to school. His conservative rants and observations usually left me incredulous and befuddled.
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