Tuesday, September 23, 2008

People I Strongly Dislike: Strippers And Their Patrons.


[Editor's Note: Don't worry, despite the title, this post of PG-13.]

The other night I was flipping through the channels and somehow ended up on the Ice Cube/LisaRaye ghetto atrocity Player's Club. One thing I never have quite been able to fully comprehend is the allure of strip clubs. In my short 35 years, I've only set foot in such an establishment twice, both times in the mid-90's, and both times I was with a couple of frequent commenters here (tsk tsk) who will surely weigh in with their pity remarks you know where.

The first time was a guy's night out to celebrate the early graduation and subsequent matriculation to a well paying corporate gig for one of my buddies. The club itself wasn't too far from the campus of our Negro College HBCU, and I'd frequently heard chatter on campus that some of our schools sweet and innocent co-eds often secretly moonlit there to work out their Daddy issues earn extra money for books and tuition. I'm no prude, but the possibility of running into some girl in one of my 300 level Engineering courses was certainly gonna make for an odd situation.

And wouldn't you know it, no sooner than we step in the door, there's a girl from my Astronomy class on stage, shakin' her money maker. I distinctly remembered her (let's call her Anissa) because once, waaay earlier in the semester, we'd somehow ended up in the same study group (yeah, I know, study groups for astronomy, make your jokes already), which was only notable because she otherwise stayed in the back row of the classroom and didn't say much. She wasn't incredibly good looking, and was otherwise shy and reserved. She's the last person you'd ever imagine droppin' it like it's hot and doin' somethin' strange for some change.

But there Anissa was, gyrating away to 8Ball and MJG while getting her thong stuffed with dollar bills[1]. For a very brief moment, we locked eyes, and I saw a distinct "damn" look on her face. It was prolly the same expression of sadness and pity I had on mine. After all, she was strippin', but I was in the club indirectly paying to see her strip. I'm still at a loss for which of these is more pathetic. Help me sort this out in the comments if you feel so inclined.

Everytime I ran into Anissa on the yard thereafter, we exchanged the same "damn" look and kept it movin'. I could only imagine how many other dudes Anissa exchanged that very same "damn" look during the course of everyday, and whether or not that bothered her as much as it sorta kinda bothered me. I really hope she used that lapdance money to futher her education, but if her performance in that Astonomy class was any indication of the rest of her academic success, chances are she's on a pole somewhere in America right now, and there's prolly some 8Ball and MJG playing in the background. Sad, but likely true.

But perhaps even more pathetic than strippers are the tricks who pay to watch them strip. Again, I'm certainly not immune to the beauty of the female physique. Who is? But I don't fully comprehend why some dudes (key word: some) pay good money (I'm assuming) to be lied to, manipulated, tricked, and teased out of their money with virtually zero chance of getting anything in return. You've got a better chance of eventually scoring if you have even a minimal amount of game and meet a nice young lady anywhere but a strip club. I guess they say it ain't trickin' if you got it, but you sure as hell can't pay the rent if you blew your check on lapdances.

I surely hope I'm not inadvertently insulting any of my readers who are exotic dancers, or patrons of exotic dancers, but could one of ya'll explain the allure of this to me?

Question: Why do some women strip for money? Ladies, be honest. Have you ever even remotely considered doing this for cash? Fellas, if you're a patron, please explain the allure of paying for something you can't have? Is it true that it ain't trickin' if you got it?

[1] Seriously. I know tips are s'posed to add up, and you make bigger money for bigger "tasks", but c'mon. Dollar bills to grope your booty? You can't even buy a freakin' Kit Kat bar for a dollar nowadays. Have scrip clubs been effected by the recession too? Are they requiring 5 dollar bills and up nowadays? I'm clearly not up on the booty club ettiquette, so help me out.

30 AverageComments™:

Huntdaddy said...

Are you serious??? Ahhhh, because they're fun perhaps...LOL!

Personally I think it's fun to go with your boys to a strip club to have a drink, talk sh*t, look at some sexy naked ladies, listen to some aggressive rap songs, and channel my inner caveman for an hour or 2...Now, it is not something to do 4 times per week but as occasional vice, I found it to be pretty damn OK. Currently, I might go 2-3 a year when my buddies come down to South Florida to visit and every time, we have a BALL!

Another great thing about strip clubs is the absence of pretense. They are strippers looking to get paid for stroking your ego...Go to a regular spot, holler at a nice lady, and who knows what potential hornet's nest of drama, lies, and BS you can be walking into. In some ways, strip clubs are 'safer' than regular bars. For fellas with their heads screwed on right, the strip club is a highly compartmentalized place to get a naked women to stroke his ego...for women who can deal with all the crap that comes stripping, they get paid a crap load of Benjamins to do what might otherwise earn her only a phone number and a few cosmopolitans.

What I never understood is why people feel the need to 'pity' the poor stripper girl. Sure she may have some problems but I know lots of non-strippers (male and female) that have so many issues, they have volumes. As well, most of the strippers I have encountered made considerably more money than I did while in college working a $4.50/hr video store job (in 1989)....some make more than your average working stiff. Also, your average working stiff probably has to deal with some level of humiliation on their job, just like LaQuisha the Stripper at the Tender Trap....

So, next time you happen to go to a gentlemen's club AB, don't over-think it...just give in to your inner Caveman for an hour and enjoy yourself....also, if you happen to bump into a Stripper who is also a secretary at your job, don't give her the 'oh sh*t' look....Stripping is a hard gig and we shouldn't make it harder...call her over, tell her how good she looks, give her a tip, and tell her to have a good night....better to make a friend than to make someone (and yourself) feel uncomfortable.

Black Diaspora said...

@AB: "...there's a girl from my Astronomy class on stage, shakin' her money maker."

More than stars were out that night! I couldn't resist.

I don't know AB: some of the guys that frequent these places will never see a woman of their beauty that up close and personal, but in a place like that.

It's hard to fault them for that.

People pay a fortune, and travel clear around the world to take in the grandeur of God's creation.

For comparatively fewer dollars, they can look upon the grandeur of a another one of God's creations, and go no farther than across town, or down the block.

Kit (Keep It Trill) said...

Avg Bro, do yourself a favor and go to a few strip clubs this month. Try to have a conversation with a few of the girls. Ask them if they enjoy the job or is just doing because the pay is so good, or both. Chat with some of the men in the clubs too. Find out their thoughts. Unless you're have a real revulsion to this, you might even have fun, and as a reader of your blog, I'd be interested in what you write about it on another post about what you found out.

Yesterday I was at an HIV seminar and spent one of the breaks talking with a pretty young lady whose a dancer, but she also does outreach to the girls in the sex trade on the streets on Baltimore. I may do a post on this by Thursday if you're interested.

Brother OMi said...

word
in my short 35 years of life, I only entered 2 as well.

call me cheap. i just can't see myself. then again, I was always the brother who tried to get booty on the cheap anyway.

to be honest though, brother, if i was built like Tyson beckford, I would be hitting up the old ladies dressed up as a cop.

cjames30082 said...

@AB
C'mon. LOL. That girl was UGLY AS HELL! OOOOO WEEEE! BUT. Hold on now, from the neck down, (Anissa) was slammin'.

@AB,
See the strippin' business started in Africa a long time ago. LONG, LONG, LONG Time ago white men went to Africa. They saw these bootiful, black, women walking around working, singing, dancing, living in the nude. BUCKET NEKKED! You could see their public hairs...... These white men went around from village to village to watch them perform; in the nude. Titties! ASS! For free.

@huntdaddy
I guess it's the cost that I have a problem with. 10 bucks to get in. $16 in drinks(2 drink minimum). 4 or 5 table dances at $10 bucks each. $5 bucks at some sleazy joints here in the ATL. $20 bucks in $1 tips. That's freakin expensive.

SingLikeSassy said...

My husband took me to one once because I wanted to see if it was like G-String Divas on HBO. It wasn't. At all. Unh-unh.

And I was there for amateur night and this woman who said she was a teacher (why announce this in the stripclub?) went up there and did her thing. There were also groups of really attractive professionally-dressed women in this club. I think that surprised me more than anything.

I wouldn't dance in a club. Ever. Aside from the fact that I'm too old and fat at this point in my life, I plan to be someone's mom and that is not the example of womanhood I want to set for my child.

Anonymous said...

Ok, since I'm being anonymous I may as well be honest. I danced for a while when I was in college. I had another job (catering) and was still a v-gin. I didn't have daddy issues, low self esteem or a crushing financial need. What I had was a hot body and no outlet to show it off in. Soo, off to the nearest big city I went to shake my money maker. Here is what I learned:

-everyone (even women who are clearly in their 30's) will tell patrons that they are working their way through school. It kind of sucks to be telling the truth and have guys hit you with the "ohh kaay" look.
- men look at women like ice cream flavors. everyone has a preference, but most want some variety in their scoops
-strippers are usually bad at handling money
-Being a freak is not the same thing as being a ho. Freak is about quality, ho is about quantity.
-I am fine specimen in the eyes of many men (who knew?).
-I am a monogomy inclined freak.

Self discovery and insight into the male libido. Most women would pay - and I made about $500 on a bad night to learn it.

AB - listen to the other bloggers and try talking to a stripper. You've always been a little uptight (it's what I like about your blog), but I know you also have an open mind and I think the experience will broaden your view.

Inquisitive Mind said...

@anonymous
'You've always been a little uptight' AB, does she really know you? Maybe uptight isn't the right word, but she knows you somehow. hahaha

@cjames30082
You've been to Brothers 3, so you know what's poppin. Sad it's closed.

Hey, me and my boys go on our trip every year and one of the things we do is go and enjoy the semi-clad to no-clad 'dancers'. It's fun. You get a drink, you talk some trash and then maybe get a lap dance or two (or three, or four, whatever your pleasure). If you got game, you may get more out of the deal (it happens). The best thing to do (especially in the ATL) is to invite a few over to your hotel for some fun. I'm not into the whole dropping a $1K on a scripper, that's just crazy. I almost lost my check one night at a bachelor party, almost though. But I digress. We need to take you to a grimy club in DC. You'll change your tune.

Daedalus said...

There are two types of people who go to strip clubs.

Type One - There are those who go to be entertained. They go with the boys to raise a little hell. A hot chick is a hot chick. I like looking at them just as much as everyone else. If alone, they stop through every now and again just for the hell of it.

Type Two - There are others who go because they can get attention from a woman they arent getting at home. You can either go home to an argument or walk into a strip club and someone is nice to you, sits in your lap and asks you how your day was. Who cares if its fake. For the moment your day is better than it was before you walked in. Personally I never take strippers seriously. Im well aware its all fake. Im there to be entertained.

I've been Type One and Type Two throughout my adult life.

Luckily (and I thank God for her) I get the latter (someone nice to me in my lap) on most days (when I act right) at home so theres no reason for me to go.

That is unless she wants me to take her. LOL..

Seriously though im just not that uptight. It serves a purpose for those who go. As long as nobody gets harmed, I think its ok.

ebonygentleman said...

Dudes and ladies go to strip clubs simply because they aren't getting something at home. Money isn't an object, I think.

My co-worker paid for my bachelor party at "Christie's" in Greensboro. He provided the single bills too, so I didn't have to spend much. It was nice. Just keep telling yourself that you can't take them home for free.

It's kind of interesting being high on cigar nicotine and watching an ample female cling to a firepole by her buttcheeks only....upside down.

I even got a free embroidered polo shirt for my trouble.

The problem comes in when you try to find someone that sexy and freaky outside of strip clubs. More than likely...they're already involved with someone, street walking...or they strippin' already.

EG

Huntdaddy said...

@Ab - Come on down to South Florida and I'll take you to a spot for observation, data collection, and field interviews...LOL!

@cjames30082 - Yeah, strip clubs are expensive as hell thus I can only pony up the $$$ to go a few times per year. But for people who want to pay for that kinda dough for butt naked entertainment more frequently, then I say good for them...do your thang, be happy, and enjoy yourself.

@Anonymous - Good for you and thanks for sharing. Sheeeiiiit, $500/night is more loot than I make now. I bet you have some funny stories about your days on the pole. My lady and some of her friends drop major loot to take a pole dancing class when they have their ladies nights out...which I don't mind one bit! Did you find that most strippers were nutbags or were they generally regular women?

Strip clubs are entertainment, it's not that deep folks...And like most vices, it preys upon some male and female weaknesses; ego, vanity, materialism, and the almighty dollar...

Let's be real, there are lots of vices that we all have that prey upon the same weaknesses....Ladies, how many of you have $500+ purses or own over 100 pairs of shoes; 10 of which you wear with any frequency? Fellas, how many of us have watches that cost over $1000 or a car that costs more than $500/mth? How many of us work doing something we don't really like for 60+hours per week to pay for all the stuff we own...

In some ways, us regular working stiffs are the strippers and prostitutes on the 'stroll' trying to make a buck or two...

cube said...

I'm with AB on this one. Dudes who frequent strip clubs usually don't have enough game to pull women elsewhere, and go there for the escape/instant gratification they can't get with 'regular' women.

I don't trick. Strip clubs are trickin', but with no eventual payoff. You guys should cut out the middle man and just buy a hooker. At least there's a final payoff.

Its TOO easy out here to get booty the traditional way. The numbers are in a hetero man's favor. It's also usually cheaper, although granted it requires more effort and time. Still, I'd rather smash some random chick than pay a stripper anyday.

Miss Gypsy Eyes said...

AB, I'm mad at you for the strip club recession bit, that was SO wrong. I actually waited tables in a strip club for a couple of months, in truth I think I came out pretty close to even with some of the dancers tip- wise and I didn't have to wear much less than I would've worn out clubbing and I had to leave early (class in the mornings) think about how much I would've made had I stayed until last call. It's not something I ever thought I would do but, it's good money. I don't think I could've gotten up on that stage though. As a waitress you hear what the girls dancing don't, and I could never disrespect myself like that. Add to that that most of my friends are male and I have brothers and there is no way on EARTH, I know what guys really think about strippers. I did go to a club with my brother once, and while I can't say I was entertained, it's one of the few places a girl can go, get cheap drinks and not worry about guys trying to get with her. It's also a self esteem booster, sounds mean but I end up thinking, "dang, I don't even have to do all of that to get attention." I'm not mad at them though, they provide a service.

Anonymous said...

Strip clubs are strickly for suckers. You are better paying for a piece with a escort rather then stuffing cash down some hoe's thong. The only thing that could be worse is stuffing money into a slot machine. What a joke.

bigk said...

What I'm wondering is how people can be judgemental about a person spending their own hard-earned money as they choose to see a chick flash her tail, and see no problem with shelling out upwards of $20 bucks at a movie theater to see the latest Tyler Perry travesty?

Novella said...

I went to a strip clud for midget wrestling w/ a friend and my husband. I was more entained by the patrons than the performers. I only saw on midget match, the music sucked and the dancers were a little lazy...I was not impressed. I think strippers are a little nasty (or alot depending on Geography), but that's based on what I've heard men say about them. I haven't considered stripping, it looks like it could be alot of work, in poor working conditions, for a bunch of disrespectful assholes...it wouldn't be a good match for me. More power to em.

cjames30082 said...

@novella, I gotta know. I just gotta know. How did you get talked into going to watch some midget wrestling....at a strip club!??! That is about the funniest thing I have heard all day. What makes it even funnier is I HAVE SEEN midget wrestling at a strip club. It was midget mud wrestling. And if that wasn't funny enough these midgets were crowd favorites. THEN when it was all said and done I bought my boy a midget lap dance. That was actually my last time at strip club but I'll never forget it. LMAO!!!!

ebw-educated black woman said...

AB, I lived in the ATL for over 20 years, and skrippin is big money in the A. I don't have to tell you that many a female matriculating at the AU complex have paid their tuition with $ earned @ Magic City.
I ain't mad at the strippers, they're earning an honest wage. It's not exactly like they're forcing these guys to give them money....
I've gone to plenty of strip clubs. To me it's more of a male bonding thing than anything else. I used to go on a regular--at one point I had a boss who did all his business entertaining at them. (Yes, I actually took meeting minutes @ the strip club) Needless to say, more often than not, it always worked in sealing a deal. (Particularly with Japanese and European clients who aren't so prudish about these things)
I had a class mate in undergrad who stripped @ the Cheetah. She used her money wisely and by Junior year, old girl was debt free, working as a commercial real estate agent and rolling in a new jag.
While there are some nasty, raunchy places out there--there are also some pretty classy establishments that don't play with anyone who thinks they're gonna be touchy-feely or solicit sex. (There is no sex in the Champagne Room. LOL!)
BTW-Best strip club ever--the Claremont Lounge in Atlanta. It's a dive. (They serve wine in plastic cups, and beer in cans.) There are strippers who have worked there since the place opened over 40 years ago. If you're in Atlanta, you've got to go-if only to see Blondie (who has got to be damn near 60 years old, recite poetry and crush beer cans with her boobs). It is a living, breathing psych experiment and on Saturday night you can meet people from literally all walks of life. It's great people watching. Late Saturday nights it turns into an allout old school disco party. If you just want to let it all go, open yourself up to the truly bizzare, and have some fun--this place is a BLAST!!!! Someone should really do a documentary about this place. Where else can you see a near 400 pound woman striping to Bob Seger's Against the Wind?

MissJay said...

@miss gypsy eyes, ebw, and AB

I've been to strip clubs before here in VA. I went with my then boyfriend because we could get cheap drinks, play pool, and sometimes I would play that touch screen game at the bar and try not to smoke my whole pack of cigs (I used to smoke while I drank). Majic City I did not like, the one in Portsmouth is better than the one in Newport News. We went to this place close to where I used to live called Buck's Brand. Every Wednesday night was a pool tournament and I would go watch my man play and sit at the bar, talk to the bartender (man) and the owner/manager (woman who also danced there) and drink beers and smoke lol. The thing about VA strippers is that the ones I went to really didn't strip. They just danced in bikinis. Here in VA you can't touch them and they can't get naked. Didn't bother me any at all. I also went to a club with my friends (I was 19) on male stipper night. Now they stripped and I liked it. I didn't have to tip, I just did. I think it all depends on the person. Some strippers/dancers are disgusting. Some are just trying to make it. Some just like to do it. I don't think the establishment and the patrons and employees should be judged by one place, I think each one should be looked at differently and then make the opinion.

Anonymous said...

Why strip for $$? In a country that pays $.77 on the dollar for equal work? Women are already shit on in the US, why not make money being treated like it?

the uppity negro said...

@AB

Question one: Astronomy class?!? Are you sure you went to an HBCU? What damn class is Astronomy needed for? U coulda took BASKETWEAVING for all that!

Question Two: So, 8Ball and MJG have been around since the mid-nineties for "Anissa" to be dancing to? They that old...or are you telling on urself?

I've only been to the strip club twice. First time went down the street on Charlotte Pike in Nashville, and my friends got in there and the one black girl got up there and my drunk ass friends hollered out "You from TSU aint you?" I bout busted out laughing!

And then she pulled a cramp.

I also went to a strip club in Birmingham, a new one, and I actually had a decent time with a homeboy from undergrad who was living out there. I wasn't pleased with the effing 6 dollar ATM fee I had to pay while inside the joint. but my homeboy was actually talking to the girls that had walked up to our table, and they was pretty decent, nun DROP DEAD, but, cool enough. In the talking we found out one of them was working and the other was in school at U of A at Birmingham. Actually, over the summer, my homeboy had texted me that he saw one of the girls come in with some man at his place of work trying to buy some furniture for an apartment.

Novella said...

@cjames30082: I didn't have to get talked in to midget wrestling. I saw the sign, and had to go. The idea of midgets wrestling is hilarious, but the execution was poor. They weren't even real midgets, just small men, and I think one of them was mentally challenged. Your experience sounds more entertaining.

AverageBro said...

@ cjames

Yeah, "Anissa" was "broke and busted" as we used to say on The Yard. Co-sign.

@ Inq Mind

I have no idea who Anonymous is, for the record.

@ missgypsy

Thanks for the insight.

@ uppity

Yes, our HBCU has astronomy classes in the science dept. I wasn't aware that this was so uncommon for Negro Colleges. Is it? All we did was read from a textbook, it ain't like my school had a planetarium or anything. The instructor also taught English and didn't bathe much. It this such a rarity?

For the record, I did actually sign up for a class similar to basketweaving as an elective that very same semester. After two days, my intelligence was so insulted, I dropped it and enrolled in the astronomy class. If I'm gonna cruise to an easy A, I might as well learn something in the process, right?

Re: 8-Ball and MJG, yeah, I'm old and wise bruh. 35. No shame in the game here.

the uppity negro said...

@AB

Well, I learned Down South is another country compared to growing up in da Chi. Never heard of the two until I got down south, so, I was like mid-nineties?!?!?! Are you serious!?!?!

HAHA!! Astronomy--daaaaaats HILLARIOUS!

AverageBro said...

@ uppity

8-Ball and MJG have been out since the early 90's. Those dudes are pretty long in the tooth by now.

And yeah, Astronomy was an easy A. I was an engineering major, I needed a break.

Are you saying your Negro College didn't offer Astronomy?

My Negro College >>>>> Your Negro College

Anonymous said...

Asking why people pay to see a girl naked is like asking why we pay good money for a 400% mark up on drinks or why you buy grilled chicken and rice for just yourself for the price of dinner for the whole family. Part of it is the atomsphere and getting out and the other part is getting to see not just the female form but watchign a live sexed up show. Even if your girl is a freak odds are you want some visual variety and tada you've got it.
I think it's sad that you assume that she didn't finish school because she was a stripper. That's like saying your friend who worked at Target now still works there because they chose to do that in order to work for school. Not everyone gets caught up in stripping. To some it is a job. Not everyone shares your mentality when it comes to showing the body in different ways. Not every stripper has daddy issues just like not every guy feels pity or sadness when they see a stripper in real life.
I personally wouldn't strip because of people with mindsets like yours. It wouldn't be the shame of showing my body but the sadness that a man cannot always seperate any overt sexuality on a woman's part with words other than skank, whore, and hooch.

V Renee said...

@Anonymous - I agree with everything you just said...espectially this statement "I think it's sad that you assume that she didn't finish school because she was a stripper"

I enjoy strip clubs. Like others have mentioned, I enjoy people watching and body watching. I think it takes a lot for women to go out there and shake it in front of men. It doesn't mean that they have "daddy issues". I couldn't do it personally, but I won't knock anyone else's decision to pursue it. I will go there and study their moves and then go home and practice :)

I think people should spend money on what pleases them. If you enjoy dropping money to have the latest technology, go for it. If you enjoy having a tight shoe game, go for it. If you want to drop money in the thongs of d@mn near naked women, go for it. It's not my money, so who am I to judge.

For the record, the BEST strip club that I have EVER been to is Diamonds in the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area. Hands down, all of the women there were GORGEOUS!

Hawa Bond said...

I babysat for a stripper while I was in college. She would ask my opinion of all her new outfits (complete with fashion show... just varying colors of silly string and floss really LOL.) She would come home with craploads of money. She was so tired, she would toss her bag and tell me to take as much money as I wanted. I never took more than the bus fare. Young chick trying to be a single mom in a college town. She was a sweetheart.

Once several years ago, I went to a strip club for lunch with a male coworker. It was fun... well... until the tipsy white man wanted to know when I was gonna strip for him. D*mn. LOL

My fiance and I talk about such a trip all the time. The good and the bad is in the motivation. If you're a hopeless maladjusted recluse and use strip clubs to replace more personal and intimate interaction... you're a post office massacre just waiting to happen anyway.

There are so many forms of mindless entertainment for the tired, overworked, or just fun-loving population. I'm not sure a strip club, in context, is any worse than what is available at home, on MTV, or on the internet.

Hawa, author of
Fackin Truth Blog (Personal Blog)
and
Cleanse Master Remix (Health Blog)

blackisbeYOUtiful said...

::sigh:: I'm shaking my head at some of these comments. Bottom line is - issue-free women don't strip. They just don't.

Anonymous said...

BlackisbeYoutiful:

I agree, whether it's money, daddy, self esteem issues, whatever. But EVERYBODY has issues. That's a part of life. From dealing with those issues we either become stronger and wiser (which I believe is the point), or we don't, though I hope for the most part the former is the result. I've actually thought on and off for years about stripping because my college loan payments are $135,000 after the interest, and unfortunately there's only so much money that can be made in an entry level position. Add that on top of apartment costs, car payments (26 mile drive to/from work),old medical bills from the broker college years, AND bad credit because of it, and hell yeah stripping looks like a better means to an end than working two jobs that still won't help with the debt. Some people's issues are smaller/larger, less/more than others. We need to try not to judge (he who is without sin cast the first stone) and understand that each person has a different life story, and try not to be so judgemental because of the way one person chooses to live their life and make ends meet.

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