Wednesday, July 16, 2008

Should The NCAA Pay Student Athletes?!?

[Editor's Note: This post is wordy and it is sports-related. I didn't plan on writing this much, but hey, I'm clearly talking about a topic I spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about: Basketball. You may wanna print this one and save it for after lunch if you know what I mean. Enjoy Responsibly.]

The whole "should players be able to skip college to go to the NBA?" debate is old news now. A few years back, NBA Commissioner David Stern somehow managed to trick negotiate the NBA Players Association into enforcing a "one year" rule. Essentially, you can't enter the NBA Draft until one year after your high school class graduates.

I agreed with this rule, but not for the reason many might think. I have absolutely nothing against young brothers gettin' their paper. Reality is, you can always go back to college, but you can't be projected as a 1st round pick forever. As much as critics love picking on dudes like Korleone Young and Johnathan Bender for striking out by skipping college, there's just as many dudes who stayed in school too long and ended up ruining their pro prospects by coming out after their stock peaked.

Uhhh, Roy Hibbert anyone?

Besides, the fact that so many people "care" about the plight of young black men is laughable. To all the "advocates" so worried about how these poor men would fare if they didn't get a couple of semesters at State U., your hypocrisy is startling. How many of these same "advocates" give a crap about the other 11 guys on that dude's high school team who not only aren't skipping college to the NBA, but aren't even going to college, period? It's obvious these "advocates" only care about the money and acclaim these player can bring to their alma maters.

And on the flipside, why all the worry about basketball players only? Who's worrying about the social adjustment of tennis players, who usually drop outta middle school to be trained fulltime? Nobody cares about tween stars like Miley Cyrus and the High School Musical kids. These kids seldom bother getting any formal education beyond basic tutoring once they pursue their craft.

So, again, I have no issue with players skipping school, or leaving after one season. My problem is that these guys are usually not ready skillwise to play at the NBA level. They usually end up wasting roster spots that would be best used on more developed players or seasoned vets.

The ultimate example of this would be the picture above. So painful is that photo for me to look at that I won't even bother captioning it or telling you who the two men pictured are. If one of you wants to explain this photo to the non-sporting members of AverageNation™, do so below.

I am beginning to tear up a bit. Painful memories, folks. Seriously.

Anyways, now that the "one-and-done" rule is in effect, the predicted outcome is happening. Guys are coming to school, putting up crazy numbers, and dropping outta class by the time the Final Four rolls around. This past year's NBA draft lottery alone featured a record 7 freshmen chosen in the Top 14 picks. The usual zealots (Dick Vitale, Jay Bilas) are now beginning to bellyache for a "two-and-done" rule, since this easy exodus of star power will leave the NCAA noticeably depleted of overall talent next season.

I figured that sooner or later, some player would get tired of the whole charade and simply find a way to kill time somewhere other than a college campus to burn that one year away before he could be drafted. The options have been seldom utilized, but they include playing one season at prep school, going to to NBA D-League for a year, or and risky choice not yet exercised until now.

Former Arizona recruit Brandon Jennings is expected to sign with a European-based agent as early as Monday, get an American-based marketing director for sneaker company deals and secure a contract with a European or Israeli team within the next two weeks, Jennings' advisers told ESPN.com Friday.

Jennings signed to play at Arizona out of Oak Hill (Va.) Academy but is from Los Angeles. Jennings isn't eligible for the NBA draft until a year after he graduates from high school. Jennings didn't receive a qualifying standardized test score. His third and final test result was due Friday but Valle said it's a moot point. Jennings is choosing Europe over Arizona.

Valle said Jennings could be open to a multi-year contract overseas, although his primary goal is to play in the NBA, beginning in 2009-10. The NBA confirmed once Jennings signs a pro contract overseas and is 19, he will become eligible for the 2009 draft. But Vaccaro said a longer-term deal with a buyout is a possibility for Jennings since it would give the overseas club leverage with an NBA franchise and give Jennings some security.
Here's Mr. Jennings in action. He seems pretty bright and well grounded, which is why his lack of academic success is so puzzling.



A pure point guard in the mold of Chris Paul, Jennings is a 5-Star recruit who would certainly be an early lottery pick next year if he panned out as a freshman at Arizona. And it should be noted that Jennings' main reason for going overseas is not some noble protest, but rather the fact that he's unlikely to qualify academically and would likely have to redshirt, completely tanking his stock. So, off to Belarus this talented, but naive kid is going.

Scouts say that if Jennings plays well overseas, the net effect would be the same as playing one season of college ball. He'll make a few hundred thousand for one season of play. Then he'll be a lottery pick and will make millions before he turns 19.

But there are huge risks. International basketball is quite different from the NBA. The style of play varies widely. The opposing players, even those Jennings' age, in many cases have been pros for several seasons already. He will be playing grown assed men who don't know or care that he's some hotshot NBA prospect. He will have to learn the culture of a new country, and figure out how to juggle the language barrier. He will likely not have an extensive support group. And since Euroleague teams often have limits on the number of Americans per roster, as well as the number of minutes they can play, it's entirely possible that he might find himself riding the bench merely for political reasons beyond his control. This could seriously backfire and adversely effect his draft status.

Whether or not others follow suit and start skipping the charade of college ball altogether remains to be seen, but several high profile recruits from next year's high school senior classes are said to be considering the same route. Should this become a trend, the longterm effects could be devastating to college basketball. Time will tell if this is the beginning of the end of March Madness, or just some dumb kid who got some very bad advice and ruined his life.

I'll be keeping an eye on this, but I guess it raises a real question: Why not just start paying these guys to play college basketball?

NCAA basketball and football teams bring millions to the coffers of universities nationwide. These sports usually provide the financial support for non-revenue generating sports like lacrosse, softball, and track and field. Schools like south university choose to focus budget towards academics and other initiatives that benefit the entire student body. In many states, the highest paid public employee is some D-1 football or basketball coach. No, really.

What would be so wrong about doing some sorta profit sharing like any other corporation? Seriously, if a school can pay its' coach $3M per season, why shouldn't the very players that make said coach, the AD, and the Chancellor all richer get anything in return?

Why not give the players some set percentage of the program's earnings for a given season and put them in a mutual fund that becomes fully "vested" once the player's eligibility runs out? Guys who leave early simply forfeit this money, transfers and non-medical redshirts are exempt. All players, regardless of stats or position, get the same set amount contributed. Those graduating on-time get a financial bonus. The guys who stay, and God-willing, actually graduate, will leave school with a few thousand dollars and a headstart on life after hoops. Non-revenue generating sports get nothing but funding. The amount paid to each player is a uniform percentage, applied to each University, so just like the University of North Carolina's program makes more than Gonzaga's, it's players should get more. No, this wouldn't solve the problem of boosters and assorted hangers-on (what would?), but it would perhaps give these players something to look forward to after basketball other than a job at PepBoys and achy knees for life.

It's fair, and it wouldn't be very hard to do.

Somebody get the NCAA on the phone, pronto.

And before someone jumps in and says "isn't the four year scholarship these guys get payment enough?", fall back. Reality is, there are no four year athletic scholarships. Period. Scholarships are given for one year at a time, renewable at the end of each academic year at the coach's discretion. Point being: if you suck or get injured, you will be sent home, since you can't really do us good anymore. And this happens all the time.

For those who do actually graduate, you have to consider the rigors of literally playing sports as a full-time gig for 4 years. Modern athletics is a year-round cycle of pre-dawn training, chartered flights, and mandatory offseason workouts. There is little time for a "real" major, not with the extensive travel and practice schedules of most schools. Many of these guys come out after four years with some useless degree like criminal justice, sociology, or physical education. They might have been better off just forgoing college altogether and getting a job at Sizzler. The net-result is arguably the same.

So, for stickin' it to The System and doing for self, at least in theory, I congratulate young Brandon Jennings, and hope to see him in the green room at MSG next Summer. And for continuing the facade of "student athletics", when they know they're just exploiting these young bamas, I extend a mystery finger to the NCAA. Until they figure out better ways of treating the very athletes they hump and dump each year, I hope Mr. Jennings has lots of copycats.

Good luck, young man. You'll need plenty of it.

Questions (pick as many as you'd like): Do you think the NCAA should pay it's athletes? What do you think of AB's profit-sharing plan? Do you think Brandon Jennings will pan out in the Euroleague? Will his move become a movement if he does pan out? Should the NBA institute a two-year minimum? Do you have any idea why the photo above is so painful to me that I can hardly finish this sentence without breaking into hives?

Arizona signee Jennings heading for Europe [ESPN]

18 AverageComments™:

The Dark Angel said...

There's nothing wrong with paying these men to play, but realize you open the door for lawsuits galore for every other on campus program the school benefits from without paying the students.

It's a no-win situation for ALL STUDENTS in the end, because the schools will lose revenue and just jack up tuition on all the students who don't benefit from scholarships. Until there's a solution for that economic backlash, I don't see it happening.

Ciara said...

I know why it bothers you...*evil laugh* Thank Jordan for that nonsense.

In ways, I feel for players like Kwame, Shaun Livingston, Bender, etc because some dude jacked their heads, making them believe that it's the right thing to do, to step out and go to league. Not everyone is Kobe, Garnett, Magrady, Jermaine O'Neal. You have players like Josh Smith, who is coming along, but could have benefited from going to college a year or two.

Anyway, college players do not need to be paid for these reasons:

1) The NCAA already has trouble dealing with boosters and agents who give players gifts and money. Imagine what will happen if these athletes are getting paid? It'll get worse.

2) If basketball players are getting paid, then every other collegiate athlete should be paid too. The grind is just as hard for a basketball player as it is for a baseball/softball/hockey player.

3) If you pay D1, you have to pay 1-AA, 2, 3, etc ... they're student athletes, right? There's already an elitism problem in the NCAA as it is.

4) The pay won't be equal for every player, therefore some athletes won't go to certain schools because "they don't pay like UNC or Arizona or Duke does" ...

Urban Thought said...

They should pay them when they finish school. Cut them a check (minus the expense of the free tuition).

These schools make bank off of these athletes.

Call it an exit package.

Monie said...

I agree with Ciara that if Basketball players are paid then what about those (annoying) lacrosse players. Also she wonders about players at small schools.

The solution is to create a general fund. Every school would contribute to a general fund based on their revenue. Then you pay all athletes from that fund.

You may want to pay students that play revenue generating sports more but everyone would be paid.

Also Ciara wonders about boosters. My answer would be that if players are being paid then boosters become a non-issue. They only reason boosters have sway is because the athletes need money. Take that need away and boosters go back to contributing to the athletic facility building fund.

hawa said...

I must start by saying... I love sports but I hate sports commentary. I can just about watch my sports on mute and I never watch sports news shows. But you, AverageBro, make reading about sports an absolute joy. I don't know how you do it.

Anyway, I agree with your basic premise: Young athletes are exploited by schools for a profit and it's time to inject some equity into that equation.

BUT, I also agree with the Dark Angel's assessment regarding economic backlash (loss of revenue). And I can't argue with ciara's point that any student who generates a profit for the school (e.g. athletes in other sports) must be addressed.

I also submit that other liabilities e.g. the "employer" vs. "independent contractor" dilemma and the costs to administer such a "profit sharing" system may experience deal-breaking kinks.

But you should follow and develop this idea. You may become a champion. If you submit a plan that looks good, I'm sure many of your readers (::Hawa points to herself::) would pitch in and help.

cjames30082 said...

@AB I cannot laugh because all you have to do is look at the Hawks' first round picks for the last 10 years and you will Scream. Loudly.

These athletes should not be paid. In the Professional ranks people tend to follow players if they are good. You may hate Cleveland but you will watch LeBron. In College it's different. You tend to watch the school. Think about it. I know you like Carolina but if Duke suits the next MJ you still don't want to see them. You hate Duke.

Plus in reality how many of the players actually make the league. Out of 60 Draft picks what percentage actually make the team. 50%? 60%? So if you take this Carolina team 3 or 4 make it to the league. For the other, their payment is Free School. I think of it as everyone has to pay dues. And this is their due.

This is the reason why the NBA has difficulty because they have blurred an athlete's skills progression. Baseball and Football purists know that there is not one player who can jump out of high school and into the professional ranks. It just doesn't happen. Do you think LeBron was good enough to play as junior in high school. Yes, I think so. Do you think there's a high school senior football or baseball player, ready to play professionally? The answer is no.

The NBA should get rid of the rookie salary cap and get rid of the one year rule. That way, these NBA GM's have to evaluate the player's current skill level and not draft based on future needs. Before the NBA rookie salary cap GM's had to be SURE before they drafted a player high in the draft because you had to pay them alot. Now a days, why not take a chance on an unproven player. It doesn't cost you anything and if you get lucky, it pays off quickly.

the uppity negro said...

The ONLY reason I'm against players getting paid is because as it stands right now, the primary concern of the college institution is to educate--not to pay their athletes.

Granted we know that college boards of trustees, behind closed doors may not necessarily agree with that, but as far as the public is concerned, I think that colleges would need to change said primary concern.

Two-year minimum--

Meh...

I guess I'm over the "they need an education" BS argument, I'm just more worried that an 18 or 19 year old just isn't prepared maturity wise for ALLA THAT that comes with the NBA. Hell, I went to a small liberal arts college at 17 and I wasn't prepared for that, I could only imagine.

Seeing as how I'm not a sports fanatic, merely a vicarious watcher, AB, what was your take on Spike Lee's "He Got Game"? Was it an accurate enough portrayal of high schoolers entering the draft or college?

Lemme here back from you (or anyone else, minus the comments against Ray Allen's lack of acting skills, or rather lack thereof) and I'll follow up with more comments.

JLL

P.S. I'ma need for you to break out into hives because I have NO idea why you tripping over the picture.

The Black Elite said...

I certainly cannot advocate paying NCAA athletes, especially not the ballers of which you speak. Coming from an elite D1 school with a hot and cold basketball and football program, I am very familiar with the plight of these athletes. When I see bamas rolling around campus in bmws and hummers and the like that I know mommy and daddy didn't buy them for graduation, and when I see plasma screens and leather couches in their dorms and apartments, I know that they are getting compensated pretty well for their talents on the field or the court. And then when I see them smoking weed or doing lines a few nights before a game, I know that they do not need any more money from anywhere.
We can already see the ways in which professional athletes squander away their overinflated salaries. How do you think college athletes with less responsibility and experience would fare? They already choose schools based on what kind of 'amenities' will be available to them so salaries wouldn't change that, it would only serve to further blow up their egos and make them care less about school. If a ball player loses his athletic scholarship due to an injury or underperformance then he (or she) should do what any other student from a low socioeconomic background does...Get a damn job. Financial aid opportunities are better than ever for students who really want to pursue an education and these young guys need to have a back up plan. Plenty of pro athletes end up doing nothing and with no money if they get injured or let go anyway so that's almost a non issue. These guys that get accepted to Duke, UNC, Georgetown, etc should take that opportunity as not only the prospect of getting seen by the NBA but also as the ability to get a world class education. Could you honestly ask for more? Its all about the attitude and the mentality in the end.

Kofi said...

I think AB recommended putting the money in some kind of investment vehicle instead of directly paying the athletes. I agree with this. Coming from a University of Maryland, I saw a lot of these cats and I am pretty sure they got paid under the table from agents/boosters. But can anyone tell me if at 18 you wouldnt take a couple G's or a TV, especially when you know the amount of money that is being made off of you.

Also the 1 yr rule is preposterous. I wish Jennings the best of luck and hope that soon others will follow him.

AverageBro said...

@ dark angel

I'm sure it would open the door to lawsuits, but c'mon. Track and field doesn't make money. Lacrosse coaches don't get 7 figure shoe deals. It's hardly fair to the other sports, but where would they be without the money the hoops and football teams bring in?

Answer: Intramurals.

Pay these guys. Football players in many cases spend the rest of their lives hobbled for playing a damn bowl game. This never happens to members of a freakin' swim team.

@ Ciara

Surprisingly, nobody's really "spelled out" why that photo is so disturbing. Care to give it a crack?

@ Monie

I'm not talkin' much more than probably $8-10k at the end of 4 years. We're not talking about tens of thousands here.

I doubt this will solve the booster problem. But let's be honest, the SCHOOLS don't want to solve the booster problem. It's no coincidence that Duke and UNC are always great in basketball. They just don't get caught when they pay their players, but trust me, they're no better than any other school.

@ hawa

Thanks. I aim to please.

@cjames

Come on man, you're supposed to have my back on this one. And for the record, I don't care if Rasheed Jordan Stackhouse IV played for Duke, I'd NEVAR under any circumstances cheer for them. Nevar!

I actually think the whole "rookie contracts" thing has worked well. Guys who suck are done in 2 years. Good players still get their paper, after they prove themselves.

@ uppity

if this was all about "education", why are these school relaxing their admissions standards for ONLY THESE athletes? Nobody will accept a swimmer with a 730 SAT. But if he's got a wicked J, he can get in.

It's a sham! Period point blank. They are unpaid professionals.

BTW: He Got Game was LAME! But I do think it was pretty accurate/reasonable.

@ kofi

Thanks for agreeing.

I too wish Jennings the best. But I have a sneaky suspicion that this isn't going to pan out well.

WNG said...

Sorry, but I don't think kids should get paid to play sports in college. I think they should be learning in college, BUT since we're dealing with reality here...

How about using that money to make sure that there ARE actual four year scholarships so that even if someone is injured they will still get to stay in school?

It doesn't seem to me that spreading more money around is going to fix an obviously broken system. Colleges are there to educate youth. Everything else is gravy and should be treated as such. I personally think that any student athlete who's grades are not up to par should be allowed to practice but NOT play. (s)He should be tutored agressively until the grades are up. This should happen starting in middle school so that by the time these kids are in college they might understand the value of an education...and if they don't they'll have one anyway.

No mattter what anyone says it isn't that easy to go back to college, especially if it was only your sports skills that got you there in the first place.

So use that extra money to hire high school teachers to get the athletes up to speed. Or maybe to give them financial advice, since a lot of these young men will be thrust into a big money world soon with all the sharks that come along with that.

One thing that you can say about Jennings - he will have to grow up FAST. And I don't see how that can hurt him in the NBA.

Ciara said...

@ Ciara

Surprisingly, nobody's really "spelled out" why that photo is so disturbing. Care to give it a crack?

^^^^

You want the Wizards hater to address this?! LOL

Background: Kwame Brown was a All-American high school basketball player out of Georgia.

The Wizards, under Michael Jordan, had the number one overall pick in the 2001 Draft. The Wizards took Brown at number one. Brown was a BUST. He didn't start putting up decent numbers until he went to L.A. Four years later.

Mind you, in that 2001 draft, there were alot of busts: Joe Johnson and Pau Gasol are the only All-Stars of the lottery picks. Gibert Arenas, the face of the Wizards organization, was drafted all the way in the second round. However, with their only pick, the Wizards set their organization back three-four years.

Kwame fought with Eddie Jordan (the coach of the Wiz during his final years) and Gilbert Arenas. He lied to the organization about being sick (he was later caught out at the club).

He was the BUST but really, you shouldn't feel too bad because there were worst busts that draft.

Hank Nasty said...

If you're really interested in the topic of paying college athletes, here's a link to a great article by Michael Lewis (author of "Moneyball") specifically about college football, but definitely germane to the topic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/opinion/11lewis.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

the uppity negro said...

I'm not denying the cognitive dissonance that exists between what a school's public stance is on student athlete's versus their private actions, clearly there's another motive.

I think "the black elite" was about the best I coulda came up with, if I truly cared.

I only knew one guy who played for college, and that was Indiana State, which still wasn't some big powerhouse, and he graduated on time, got caught up with some white girl and had his named somewhat plastered on ESPN and what not, and is now playing overseas in Italy.

I'm 6'2" and CAN'T play basketball, how about THAT--I'ma bitter black man when it comes to bball. I'm more of a baseball man mahself.

Soooooo....that's all I got to say on this topic.

KIRK VAN IRVIN said...

Colleges were doing that shady recruiting stuff long before pro sports became legitimate. The increased popularity of pro sports made it worse. But you know what? College isn't for everybody. There are plenty of people who don't play sports that graduate from High School and find other ways to make a living. The NBA and the NFL should just totally stop the charade altogether. As you pointed out, the players have enough options now to stay in the game without having to pretend to go to college. I’d like to if the pro teams around the world have the same problem. If you got some links about it, I’d like to read them.

This is not going to change until the NFL and NBA fundamentally change the way they get new players. The NBA is getting tired of the college route already. It’s getting in the way of profits. I left out Hockey and Baseball, because whether you like them or not, they have their farm systems to get players to the pros without college , and with very few exceptions, you still have to go through these whether you went to college or not.

ebw-educated black woman said...

@ Ciara, you hit the nail on the head. To piggyback on Monie's comment:I wonder about female athletes. It would be interesting to see if we would be paid the same amount as male athletes.

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michael said...

I think the NCAA has figured out how to run a professional sports league without the hassle of employee compensation. I've written a pretty good article on this. Read if interested at: http://thepolesposition.com/2010/02/23/show-me-the-money-is-it-time-to-start-paying-student-athletes/

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