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I'm over the age of 30, so I don't mess with MySpace. Thus I'm probably out of my element making any real comment on this story, other than the obvious.
Here's the story, in it's entirety, since I didn't wanna omit any details.
A 13-year-old girl's sexual shenanigans have put a second man behind bars. Morris Williams, 22, told the judge he thought the girl was 18-years-old, but he found out Tuesday that ignorance is not a defense.Here's the video, just in case you're not feelin' particularly literate today.
Morris Williams' mother wailed as he went off to jail. The judge asked for media not to show 13-year-old Alisha Dean's face in court, but her pictures are all over her MySpace page and they portray a sexy, 19-year-old divorced woman.
"She told me she had just turned 18," Williams said.
Williams said Dean picked him up on the street and after a few conversations they had sex. When he heard she was not 18, he went to her father.
"He was like 'well, she's 13,'" Williams said of a conversation with Dean's father.
Williams said he never did it again, but Dean has done it before with 24-year-old Darwin Mills. Mills was sentenced to five years in prison. Dean's father wanted Williams to join Mills there.
"One of the reasons for the law is the fact that minors have poor judgment," said Jerry Dean, the girl's father.
Williams' father believes the jail sentence sends the wrong message to Alisha.
"I guess we just sit back and count how many after this," Henry Smith asked after his step-son was sentenced to jail.
Dean's family admits Alisha still stays out late and has yet to delete her misleading MySpace page. Williams will serve six years probation with the first year in jail. The other five years he will have to wear an ankle monitor. His attorney says he will come back to court to ask again for a shorter sentence.
And yeah, before you ask, this did indeed take place in Florida. Surprised? I think not.
Obviously, these young men should have been able to figure out that this girl wasn't 18 years old the moment they met her in person, and they should have turned the other way and run like they were being chased by Shawne Merriman or somethin'. But they didn't.
Still, some of the blame for this has to go on the young lady. The incessant quest for attention that leads a young girl to lie about her age on some Chris Hansen idd'ish needs to be punished. Judging by the photos above, she sure does look thirteen to me.
But who knows, in person, she might could be exceptionally mature. She is being educated in the fine state of Florida after all. She might come across like a Rhodes Scholar when she opens her mouth. So who's to say these poor, game-less cats didn't have reason to actually believe she was as old as she claimed to be?
I know this sounds like a stretch, but I guess my point is, why exactly should these dudes catch all the blame for this? I don't know how the whole "friends" thing works on MySpace, but I'm assuming there had to be some mutual agreement to meet, which to me seems to indicate that these dudes weren't actively trolling for middle schoolers, To Catch A Predator-Style. They thought they were getting a 19 year old divorcee (yeah, it sounds stupid just typing that), but they ended up getting a cell with some dude named Big Meat and a remedial course in Soap Holdin' 101. And in some small way, that's a bit of a shame.
I won't even say anything about the parents. It's clear that they're asleep at the wheel. They even admit that they still let this chick come and go as she pleases, even after she's tricked two guys into jail sentences. The incriminating MySpace page is apparently still out there, waiting to lure it's next victim. So yeah, maybe the parents should be in a cell with a guy named Big Meat too.
Do better, folks. Please.
Question: Should this young girl be joining these two men in jail?
Man Sentenced To Prison After Girl's MySpace Page Lies About Age [WFTV]
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The girl needs to catch some trouble for this also, all of the blame does not fall on the men. She is representing herself one way, that is what the men are going to see since they don't think to look at anything else. Instead of thinking that she is 13, they may be thinking that she is just a goofy 18 year old, since she has told them she is 18. And she will continue to do it bacause her father has the "not my baby" mentality and is strictly blaming the men in this case. I bet if she catches some jailtime then her myspace might not be so quick to show an older age and background.
She's too young to join these dudes in jail.
But there is something extra in the Similac and Enfamil these days.
I'll just say this: Girls who are sprouting know what to say, how to say it, and when to say it.
They also know that showing a breast or bootycheek will get them attention. I had a classmate in sixth grade who was a full grown woman with 40 inch hips and DD breasts. She knew what she was doing, and Miss Myspace did too.
If there are any pre-teen teases walking around today, they deserve exactly what they get from the grown-assed men and boys they tease. That includes sexual crimes.
Yes, I said it. I meant it.
I'm not retracting it.
That also goes for the pre-teen boys whose female teachers wanna suck them dry.
I have a baby sister who is 13, and she is more into Pokemon and Super Mario then putting out and dressing skanky. Plus she's an honor student.
Dont' do grown man & woman shyte if you ain't even old enough to bubble your name on the SAT's.
I'm just sayin'.
EG
If not the girl, her parents need to be repremanded. I can't tell the difference between a 13 year old girl and an 18 year old girl these, they all dress in the same little clothes. She is setting dudes up, and that is not cool. The system is not setting a good example by punishing her victims, while allowing her to continue setting her traps. That's what it seems like,since she's done it more than once.
Jail - no. Juvenile detention - maybe. Ass-whooping - DEFINITELY! If she were my daughter she would be a 19-year-old divorcee before I allowed her out of the house again.
He parents have seriously dropped the ball on this. Why didn't they stand over her while she deleted her MySpace page? Why does she still have internet access? I'm sure by the time the guys met her, they were no longer thinking with their *ahem* heads - but she knew all along she was 13, and they could go to jail.
I don't understand why ignorance was *not* a defense for ol' dude. It says as soon as he know she was 13, he went to her father HIMSELF! Obviously, he didn't have bad intentions towards the girl.
@ebonygentleman79,
I hear what you're saying, man, and you don't have to take it back, but I think you're wrong and that line of thinking does so much damage to young people. Saying that it is a child's responsibility to curb the appetite of grown ass people is really dangerous.
Most "fast ass" kids that I have come across have been sexually abused in some way, shape, or form in their lives. Most of them are acting out, CRYING out for someone to notice what's wrong. When they do blatantly inappropriate shyte like try to have sex with a GROWN ASS MAN, why is it not incumbent upon said GROWN ASS MAN to keep his shyte in his pants and tell that LITTLE GIRL to get the hell on?
My first sexual encounter (not intercourse) was an incident of abuse. I never told my parents or anyone until I was an adult. And I spent all that time wondering what I had done to invite it. I spent all that time wondering what I had done to deserve it.
Too many women have lost their virginity long before they were ready because they were fooling around with some guy and decided they weren't ready. But they didn't want to be cock teases, they didn't want to anger the boy they were with, and they didn't think the guys DESERVED to be left hanging, so they had sex! Someone has got to teach young men how to respect a woman's boundaries, how to make it ok to change course, and stop BLAMING WOMEN FOR BEING ABUSED.
Now isint this interesting. If someone 13 shoots someone in the face and murders them we will say "That was premeditated and planned. That pesons should be tried (and therefore treated) as an adult." However, when it comes to sex they are innocent babes in the woods?? She knew what she was doing when she *lied* on the myspace page. Now if her real age was on the page and he banged her anyway, thats on him. She said she was over 18 for a reason. Thats on her. Now before you get started I fully realize abuse happens, rape of young girls happens and RKelly happens. This is none of that and we shouldnt confuse the two. She should do some time for her deceptions, truancy and curfew violation and her parents should do some time permitting the violation. The men shouldnt go scott free either, but to do time? No.
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This is a very interesting blog...I think that the child and parents need to join these men in jail.
This is ridiculous and the parents are borderline negligent. I cannot believe as a parent, if a man comes to you and tells you that your child is misleading GROWN men to believe that she is older and participating in risky activities that you would send him to jail??
Unbelievable!! Great topic...Keia
I'm of the Blackplanet generation. I remember talking to 20 year-olds when I was 14, 15 ... knowing exactly what I was doing.
In retrospect, that was stupid but let me tell you ... sometimes you do stupid things to get a boy's attention. Attention can become addictive. I think she had the same issue I had: I use to equate a boy saying that he wanted to have sex with him liking me ... when they are two separate things.
Grown men were giving her attention that she was looking for and you'll do everything and anything to get it. Luckily, my pops kept me under wraps, which kept me out of trouble. She obviously doesn't have that type of supervision.
Seriously, if I knew what I know now at 20 when I was 15, 98.8% of the bullshit I put myself through wouldn't have happened.
@i.l.l.
First off, let me thank you for your courageous comments about your personal experience with sexual abuse.
I am certain that you didn't willingly attract that nonsense.
Miss Myspace...DID. SHE set that page up. SHE told the lie about her age. SHE got half naked and engaged the arousal of two grown men.
They were decieved.
Had things gotten further, she would either have had consensual sex, or gotten raped.
Bottom line: She started that mess, and ruined the lives of two men. She's still doing it as of this second.
There is a difference between abuse and malicious deception or arousal. Any underage person willingly using their physical and verbal assets to entice older partners deserves what they get. Period.
It's not 1950. Kids know better. They know more about sex and the practice before puberty even hits nowadays. And puberty is kicking in before the kid hits 10 years old now.
It's no excuse.
For those who are true victims of sexual abuse, they have my undying sympathy. But some of these alleged "victims" deserve to have their asses kicked or worse.
This is not the age of innocence anymore. Pandora's rules are in effect.
EG
@ ebonygentleman and daedalus,
I agree with you about this young lady. I think she needs to face some kind of discipline for her actions. She is being deceptive and men are paying the price for HER actions. Also, her father is playing right into this foolishness. I'm especially moved because the second man, when he learned of her age, spoke to her dad man-to-man and said, "Look, I didn't realize how young she was." Now he's going to prison. That's UNFAIR!
However, I think we sometimes go the extra mile and say that every young woman out there vying for male attention is as guilty as this young lady. I've given the example before: I went to an all-girls school where we aggressively flirted with the male teachers. We were in high school. Hell, we wore uniforms and everything. YES! It was wrong for us to be pushing up on grown men, but I only recall ONE of them ever saying to us, "That's inappropriate." The rest got all flattered and flirted back. I just wonder why we don't think it's more THEIR responsibility as adults to draw the lines that we as children crossed?
And yes, abuse happens, R Kelly happens. But when people suggest that "fast" girls bring these things on themselves, when it happens to a not so "fast" girl, she starts to wonder where SHE went wrong, instead of placing the blame squarely where it lies.
I hear you, EB, I do. These kids today know too much and want to be grown too damn fast. We don't disagree on that. I don't think men being lied to should be viewed the same as pedophiles. I guess I'm just saying I hope people are careful about deciding *who* deserves *what*.
@i.l.l.
I hear your side. I'm not rebutting it at all. Yes the dudes who WILLINGLY engage in this has some responsibility.
But you never hear of a handsome young boy with his nuts hanging out his pants attracting the attention of an older woman before he even says a word...
That's an Eddie Griffin comedy reference by the way. :)
Plus, guys don't really want their gonads hanging out in public...it's not comfortable. LOL!!
There is a teacher at my old HS here in NC...I had him for shop exploration class.
During class, while we were watching Hometime vids, random teen girls, white and black, would just "drop by". They would start flirting with him, and he'd flirt back. This happened EVERY DAY.
There's no telling how much ass he was getting during his off time.
My best buddy and I had that class together and kept coming to the same conclusion.
They were feeding his sexual appetite for teenies.
He was wrong. The girls were wrong too. But *THEY* kept coming by all willingly.
EG
Everyone's to blame...but especially the girl's parents and the f'd up justice system. The girl set a prescident (sp) with the first cat she sent to jail. I mean c'mon. How do you not prove she willfully mislead the second dude if she's already done it once. And real talk...I'm a man and 35 and I still get carded at bars...so you can be quite grown and look much younger than you are.
The parents need their asses whipped and they need to be investigated. WTF is happening in your home, that you can't control your child? At 13, she ain't paying no bills. So either the child needs help, or her ass whipped and so do the parents.
All we needed to know was in this sentence right here: Dean's family admits Alisha still stays out late and has yet to delete her misleading MySpace page.
The parents need to be jailed and the child needs some therapy and a better home environment.
OT: I love the new "Say whut?" feature AB!
@ EG,
Thanks for hearing me out. I still disagree with your point about teases deserving whatever they get. Women shouldn't tease, but no one deserves to be violated.
Overall, though, I don't think we're disagreeing about too much.
I think the girls' parents need to get reprimanded. This grown ass girl knew what she was doing. She wasn't dumb. Her hot ass did what a lot of fast girls her age do ...lied about her age and seduced grown, horny men. That's her youthful ignorance, sure, but where were her parents??? They were oblivious to their daughters sexcapades? That's the problem with a lot of parents today. Their kids are just living it up while they snooze.
On an aside, I agree this 13 year old girl is quite developed for her age (and so is my 13 year old cousin who is equally as 'hot' as this chick). She ain't that cute but when some P is a man's face, shit, than your face turns beautiful! LOL
@i.l.l.,
I feel you. I do. Gimme some hugs!
Hey, AB:
See what you done and did?
You got people expressing opinions, and-and-and exposing stuff in their personal lives n' shyte that was 'sposed to stay lock-ded up!
Why don't you pass out Kleenex and Puffs while you at it?
*cries* Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, LAWDY!
EG
I think we need to revisit the laws on the books because CLEARLY Genarlow Wilson et. al. wrongly get sentenced. Secondly, I think the public education system needs to do a better job of stating what's the law. I graduated from h.s. in 2002 and the idea that I was 17 and could possibly go to jail for having sex with a freshman who was 13 or 14 or 15 did not even REMOTELY cross my mind, especially if both sets of guardians (whoever they may be) wasn't a problem. The unspoken rule was that if they were in high school, and considered a peer, they were fair game. And I know the girls at the school felt the same way.
Granted, the following familial example comes from a LONNNNNNNG line of dysfunction, including sexual abuse, the fact that I knew a cousin who prior to her 18th birthday had her 25 year old boyfriend LIVING with her and her dysfunctional-ass mother and the 25 year old boyfriend's mother was just happy to have the boy out the house--I mean, come on people!!! We SERIOUSLY need to take a look at the community and familial issues we're dealing with.
The law, such as the one in this case does absolutely NOTHING to prevent this from happening. These are retrograde laws, rather punishing the individuals once the damage has been done.
Case in point...
I was 18 on the west side of Chicago, helping my cousin coordinate at Austin H.S. with one of the local 8th grade graduations (the relatively sane sister of above cousin). Well, my other male cousins were there helping out as well, and we saw these 8th graders walking by and OMG...you couldn't help but stare. My cousins and I had restraint and wouldn't have DARED acted on our impulses. But, um...CLEARLY there are those who do, and how does the law address young girls in this situation and moreover these men who DID not rape or sexually abuse these girls?
I have a cousin the same age as me. When we were 17, she'd already had quite a bit of sex; I'd barely been kissed. Bear in mind, I'm in the UK, and the age of consent is 16. In the US, my cousin was underage.
My childhood was happy and uneventful, to the point of being idyllic. Cousin had been molested by a family friend, who was heavily involved with the local church. I'm no professional, but her psyche had to have been warped by the experience. I didn't need to go and seek love elsewhere, as I had it in spades.
Miss Myspace clearly has some serious issues, and the parents are the root of it. They admit to not being able to control her, and they probably can't control themselves. What the hell happened?
Also, what singlikesassy said. The parents need therapy too, mind.
This exact same situation happened to a friend of mine- he did 18 months and had to register as a sex offender when he got out. The funny part is the girl had done this previously to another guy and the judge told my friend that if it happened again his and the 1st man's records would be expunged. The judge gave the young lady a stern lecture and warned her against repeating this behavior, but yeah right. This was in Alabama, btw.
In the case in question the girl looks 13 to me, but I've said it before, my daughter is around that age and she's very well spoken and very intelligent but after a 2 minute conversation with her you can just about guess her age. If these men would actually use their brains and think, just take the time to TALK to these girls before they start taking off their clothes they'd be able to tell how old they really are regardless of what they've been told.
Honestly, I think that the question of where the hell this child's parents are is a big issue. I know what my child does online, her father knows what she does online, I know the passwords to her email addresses and monitor her mail. There are reasons that they created the age stipulation on Myspace and this is one of those reasons. I think Myspace was not created for children, so my daughter doesn't have one. But I do know of people who have children younger than she is and they allow it, knowing that the child has to lie about their age to create an account. It's about knowing what your children are up to, watching for changes in their behavior, and settping in when you think something smells funny. I feel bad for these guys just as I did my friend but the fact of the matter is, people cannot do to you what you don't allow them to do, they made a dumb choice and now they have to live for the consequences. How hard is it to ask for ID, or to send the girl to purchase an item that you have to be of age to buy? If you play stupid you get played like you're stupid.
It's gettin to the point where people are gonna have to ask for two forms of gov't ID before they go for it.
On a serious note, I believe the parents, the men, and the girl should go to jail.
I believe the parents should be locked up for knowing their child has lied to have a MySpace page and not making sure it was deleted. The child should be locked up for lying and deceiving these men.
I have to agree with what daedalus said, the law is quick to try a minor as an adult for murder and such, why shouldn't they be treated as one when they willfully lie and deceive an adult into having sex with them?
I'm not saying the men are not somewhat at fault, most men think with the wrong head, though a lot of these young girls today look a lot older than what they really are.
We as mothers need to keep a close watch and pay attention to what our daughters are doing, wearing and putting on the Internet because there are too many nuts out there preying on them. And I'm not by any means saying those men were preying on her, but she was lucky TWICE that they didn't rape and or kill her. She's looking for attention in the wrong place.
Yes her father has the wrong attitude about it, he (as a man) should be making sure his 13 year old daughter isn't putting herself out there like that. Her parents probably exposed her to "grown up" stuff so all she knows is to be a "hot", "fass" ass lier.
I still can't understand how parents of a 13 year old CAN'T control her. If it was my child she would have been monitored on line, and if I knew she was "setting" her ass out, her ass would have been whipped. I truly agree with you on that one ebe-eucated black woman, her and her parents.
The problem is that so many 18 to 30 year olds act just like children. The lines are so blurred nowadays that it's easy for someone who IS of age, but immature to fall for this. I doubt the men involved were all that mature and the women that they were previously involved with were either even though they were of age. It's now to easy for kids to "act" grown since so many people around them that are grown are acting like children. Then you through in the advanced physical developments and you have serious issues.
Hey AverageBro,
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This girl needs appropriate treatment, not punishment. I am a mental health prof. with experience working in group homes for teenage girls with behaviour issues. All of them had been sexually abused/molested when they were younger, and all of them acted out sexually, exactly like this. Traumatized teenage boys may act out with with violence, our traumtized teenaged girls are more likely to act out sexually. Now to the average community member, who would see them walking around, they would just think that they were fast ass young girls, instead of severely traumatized children with adult bodies. Most thirteen year olds are not out trolling for sex on myspace, (though many more are probably trolling for attention) So we have to ask ourselves what is up with this girl that she would be putting herself in such extreme danger with strangers. Thirteen is still very young, and though they may choose to participate in adult behavior, they are not aware of the consequences of their actions. Also, i would say that if she is in a position where she is able to continually endager herself (not only by having risky, possibly unprotected sex with strangeers, but meeting up with strange men and riding off with them can lead to abduction, and more extreme forms of violence), then she needs to be taken out of her home. STAT. I know its hard dealing with out of control kids, but there is usually an underlying issue to such extreme behavior. Her parents need to realize that if they cant control their daughter, they are continuing to endanger her by allowing her to live in the home.
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