The MSM is all caught up on Barack Obama's lack of traction with "blue collar white workers", an angle which will undoubtedly be echoed repeatedly in the next week after his ethering in West Virginia last night[1]. This strikes me as a total crock, mainly because the past few Democratic candidates have had marginal levels of success without winning a majority of the white vote, let alone the suddenly coveted category of blue collar (read: poor) rural white men. Clinton didn't carry the white vote in 96'. Gore didn't have it in 2000, but he won the popular vote, although you could argue that did him about as much good as a truckload of Gregory Abbott's Greatest Hits LPs.
But since that dingbat Campbell Brown (seriously, how'd she get that job?) and the fellow talkin' monkeys at CNN need something to talk about, we'll be hearing this same flawed analysis in the weeks to come. Sheesh, isn't it about time they start focusing on Cotton Hill McCain already?
Nonetheless, while you've got the historic racial dynamic of a serious black candidate making a run for The Number One Spot, I've yet to see the MSM go in on any level to try and explore the psychology of the many whites who simply will not evar vote for a black man under any circumstances. You and I know this segment of the population does indeed exist, but you sure as hell wouldn't know it by watching MSNBC, CNN, or Fox News. My hometown Washington Post is just as complicit in not bothering to peel this onion, but Tuesday's story on the racial slights experienced by Obama supporters in Pennsylvania was about as close to a serious examination as I've read this year.
I hate cut-and-pasting this extensively, but the article really is a must-read, and I didn't want to omit anything.
For all the hope and excitement Obama's candidacy is generating, some of his field workers, phone-bank volunteers and campaign surrogates are encountering a raw racism and hostility that have gone largely unnoticed -- and unreported -- this election season. Doors have been slammed in their faces. They've been called racially derogatory names (including the white volunteers). And they've endured malicious rants and ugly stereotyping from people who can't fathom that the senator from Illinois could become the first African American president.And there you have it. For all the bullcrap about this campaign being "post-racial", reality is, anytime there's a black man involved in anything in America, there's gonna be a racial element. The question is, are these folks so dogged in their distrust in the intentions of a black man that they'd seriously consider signing up for another 4 years of the same administration that cost them their precious jobs, homes, and genteel ways of life in the first place? That's some pretty bassackwards thinking if you ask me, but hey, what do I know?
The contrast between the large, adoring crowds Obama draws at public events and the gritty street-level work to win votes is stark. The candidate is largely insulated from the mean-spiritedness that some of his foot soldiers deal with away from the media spotlight.
Victoria Switzer, a retired social studies teacher, was on phone-bank duty one night during the Pennsylvania primary campaign. One night was all she could take: "It wasn't pretty." She made 60 calls to prospective voters in Susquehanna County, her home county, which is 98 percent white. The responses were dispiriting. One caller, Switzer remembers, said he couldn't possibly vote for Obama and concluded: "Hang that darky from a tree!"
Documentary filmmaker Rory Kennedy, the daughter of the late Robert F. Kennedy, said she, too, came across "a lot of racism" when campaigning for Obama in Pennsylvania. One Pittsburgh union organizer told her he would not vote for Obama because he is black, and a white voter, she said, offered this frank reason for not backing Obama: "White people look out for white people, and black people look out for black people."
On Election Day in Kokomo, a group of black high school students were holding up Obama signs along U.S. 31, a major thoroughfare. As drivers cruised by, a number of them rolled down their windows and yelled out a common racial slur for African Americans, according to Obama campaign staffers.
The bigotry has gone beyond words. In Vincennes, the Obama campaign office was vandalized at 2 a.m. on the eve of the primary, according to police. A large plate-glass window was smashed, an American flag stolen. Other windows were spray-painted with references to Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and other political messages: "Hamas votes BHO" and "We don't cling to guns or religion. Goddamn Wright."
In a letter to the editor published in a local paper, Tunkhannock Borough Mayor Norm Ball explained his support of Hillary Clinton this way: "Barack Hussein Obama and all of his talk will do nothing for our country. There is so much that people don't know about his upbringing in the Muslim world. His stepfather was a radical Muslim and the ranting of his minister against the white America, you can't convince me that some of that didn't rub off on him.
"No, I want a president that will salute our flag, and put their hand on the Bible when they take the oath of office."
Karen Seifert, a volunteer from New York, was outside of the largest polling location in Lackawanna County, Pa., on primary day when she was pressed by a Clinton volunteer to explain her backing of Obama. "I trust him," Seifert replied. According to Seifert, the woman pointed to Obama's face on Seifert's T-shirt and said: "He's a half-breed and he's a Muslim. How can you trust that?"
He opened the grill and peeked at the kebabs. "It's not his race, because I got real good friends and all that," Cox continued. "If anything would keep him from getting elected, it would be his name. It might turn off some older people."
Pollsters have found it difficult to accurately measure racial attitudes, as some voters are unwilling to acknowledge the role that race plays in their thinking. But some are not. Susan Dzimian, a Clinton supporter who owns residential properties, said outside a polling location in Kokomo that race was a factor in how she viewed Obama. "I think if it was somebody other than him, I'd accept it," she said of a black candidate. "If Colin Powell had run, I would be willing to accept him."
The question isn't how Obama appeals to voters who hold this sentiment, because reality is, he could find each of these folks a job that pays them 3 times their current salary tomorrow and they still wouldn't pull the lever for him in the Fall. People with this sorta mentality can't be campaigned, pandered, or appealed to. Reality is, these folks made of their minds about Barry Obama 46 years ago, and there ain't a damn thing he can do about it.
I know I'm obviously about to ask a redundant question, but why in the hell hasn't the mainstream media focused on this aspect of race in this year's campaign? There was a big brouhaha about women in South Carolina voting gender vs race, there were some major race related flareups during the Democratic campaign, and let's not forget Rebb'n Wright. But in 95% of the cases, the discussions about race in America have all been very superficial, usually cloaked in the guise of patriotism and "values". I know networks are hesitant to explore true investigative journalism that could potentially offend wide swaths of their viewership, but if they're even remotely serious about the state of race in this country, you'd think someone would have explored the sentiments many white voters hold on some deeper level.
Instead of continually asking "why doesn't Barack Obama appeal to these voters", perhaps someone should ask "why aren't these voters open to considering Obama?" Seems like the seriously journalistic thing to ponder if you ask me.
Aww hell, who am I kidding? This is all about ratings.
Question: Do you think Obama can win in the Fall without capturing a majority of the white vote? What, if anything, can he do to convince voters that hold the above sentiments to consider pulling the lever for him?
Racist Incidents Give Some Obama Campaigners Pause [WaPost]
[1] John Edwards got nearly 10% of the vote. He hasn't been in the race since January. What kinda inbred hicks vote for a guy who's been outta the race for nearly six months? Some folks deserve to be systematically disenfranchised.



20 AverageComments™:
Yes, He Can.
He doesnt have to WIN the white vote...he just has to do better than he is right now.
Right now, the polls suggest he can win in the right states November is an eternity from now.
The question is...does America want change BAD enough to trust a Black man to give it to them?
Sometimes I think Obama supporters (myself included) live in a vaccum. In my heart of hearts I don't really think he can win. It's not just the white working class that are opposed to an Obama presidency. He desperately needs the youth vote to turn out in record numbers and he also needs Hillary supporters to have a change of heart.
I think Obama will win despite the fact that racism has never left the building. He's doing really good in state match-ups against McCain, part of the people who voted for Hillary will vote for him and according to Gallup he now is in the same postion with the white vote as John Kerry was at election day 2004. That's a good position to START in. Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but he might even have a shot at winning Texas in November (Rasmussen has him trailing McCain by just five points, SurveyUSA by less:http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=7f824566-3782-4941-89c0-0cf82b1cc7ba).
He's not going to be a candidate who can bring the nation together. There's polarisation going on right now. But on the whole I would say he's going to win, he CAN win, history has proven that it does not side with scared and angry white men.
I think that this is one of the last hurdles for Obama on the way to November. The classic question I raised a few months back: "Is America willing to call a black man Master?" The WVA majority proved that they don't believe in him or his abilities. The media this morning is saying that they voted with their wallets (a lie). Black voters in NC gave him the push, but it was no 40% push.
Personally, I'm glad that it's come down to this. It's time for this country's dirty laundry to come clean. It's time for all of the lies and false fronts to be exposed about America's greatest flaw, race relations. This is the race war that folks have talked about since slavery, except that it's being done with votes not weapons.
AB, when this is over, like you I'll be totally honest with my child about what chances he/she has in America because of this election.
"Daddy, can I be anything I want to be?"
The answer will come in a short while.
EG
The question is so complex... ebonygentlemen has a piece of it right, dead on I think. But it's not the whole story... I wouldn't hinge what I teach my kids about their chances in the world on this race, because it's more than the black/white angle. There are a lot of reasons that a lot of people will vote for Obama, and a lot of reasons why people will not. Racism is one of those reasons for both groups, with some people voting for the man because he's black, and some voting against him because he's black. There are so many other factors to consider though. McCain's age. Obama's foreign policy ignorance. Bitterness over Hillary losing. Claims (even false ones like AB's graf about the effects of this administration... the bitch about being President is that you get all the blame for stuff you can't change, and none of the credit for stuff you can) of a 3rd Bush term. Claims of a 2nd Carter term. Stay in Iraq / leave immediately. Religion, party politics, healthcare disagreements (probably my deciding issue). I could go on and on.
If he loses, and I'm coming to believe he will, it'll be because he can't square the Democratic voter circle, and that's largely the fault of the Democrats themselves. The party has let itself divide into a Germany-like coalition of competing interests based on sometimes contradictory emotions and beliefs, rather than on solid policy and a consistent message. With so many bits flying out of the Democratic blender, I don't see how he can contain enough voters to pull it off.
Vladi, you're overly optimistic. Obama will get destroyed in Texas. SurveyUSA is disreputable and Rasmussen has underreported Republican votes in the last 3 Presidential elections, sometimes by as much as 10 points. Also, don't you think it's a bit comical to lament polarization, then go on to end your post with a cheap, ignorant shot at "scared, angry white men"? That one line sort of contradicts your whole post.
Sometimes I wonder if we'll ever get through a political comment thread without a blast at The White Man. I think I'll go stick my feet in the aisle some more.
I don't know whether he can win without a majority of white voters, but I think he can get a majority of white voters.
Right now, Hillary's marching through Appalachia, where Obama will never win the racist vote. But there are just as many well-educated and/or urban whites across the country who will vote for him.
One thing about the white vote; it is not monolithic.
The sad/scary fact is that the media will define the narrative for the general election. They always do. And the folks on the fence will listen to the media. The best hope lies in the fact that the Republican Party is imploding right now, and their candidate is a crazy old guy with clear signs of war-induced PTSD. If that point can be driven across I think it won't even be a close race.
Anyway...
"Instead of continually asking "why doesn't Barack Obama appeal to these voters", perhaps someone should ask "why aren't these voters open to considering Obama?" Seems like the seriously journalistic thing to ponder if you ask me."
It's because it's not asked in polite company. Appearing elitist is almost as bad as appearing racist, and in fact the media seems more sensitive to the Elitist charge than they are to the Racist charge. No journalist wants to come across sounding like he's making fun of the cracker vote, no matter how much it needs to be pointed out.
Of course then there's this, so what do I know?
To Poopyman:
Well, I woke up to the ajc online and Obama does somewhat favor Curious George. But, I guess in such a racially charge atmosphere, do you really distribute such t-shirts.
To the rest:
I'm only 23, and given the dynamics right now, I have to believe that he CAN win. To go so far as to say he WILL NOT win would truly cause me to make immediate plans to move out of this country. Courting this white vote, and this Reagan Democrat vote goes without saying. I think also Obama will need to do a helluva lot more with the Latino vote (and per another blog) speak specifically to Latino concerns in LA versus that of New York, Chicago or Florida (oh gawwwd, did I bring up Florida?!?!?!)
I think we've moved past CAN and into the area of WILL. And we also need to remember that what we're watching are DEMOCRATIC primaries, and many of us are forgetting that Republicans will be voting in the fall. And in the state of West Virginia where fools still believe Obama's Muslim?!?!?!?! OH GAWWWWD, do the Democrats even stand a chance in the first place?!?!
Anything short of a heart attack or stroke from Weathervane McCain, this is going to be a VERY close race. We thought 2000 was close--omg, McCain won't have to lift a finger. There are enough backwoods, backwater, rednecks and their ilk to do the dirty work against Obama, or even Clinton. For the older white men, they may have heart attacks in the voting booth, a woman or a nigger.
JLL
www.uppitynegronetwork.wordpress.com
Uppity:
Maybe you could leave now? Vote absentee, and if Obama loses you can just stay gone.
Well, the folks in my office are a mighty small sample size for a poll, but the majority are Republican, and of the ones who've volunteered the information, two white males in their 50's are voting Obama, and one or two (in their 40s) were leaning to Ron Paul. I haven't asked since Bob Barr entered the race. That's about half the R's here. The D's are all Obama. This is in Suburban MD, BTW.
All of this just to point out that Obama will pick up some Republican* voters, in unknown quantities. And McCain ain't cutting it.
U.N., you're qute right that the Hispanic vote has been ignored, or at least Obama's interaction with them has been underreported. He does need to address their issues sooner rather than later.
*(To say "White Republican" would have been redundant.)
He can and most likely win enough of the "white" vote in the fall. Come on, this whole "blue collar rural hard working" drum that's getting beaten right now is the "Appalachian vote". Go look at the maps and you'll see that her two "cores" are actually older white women and the appalachians, with overlap.
He can and will make his pitch to the many older white women who have been completely invested in the possibility of the first woman for president. It is a dream come true for them, and they are reluctant to let go. I don't even blame them but am confident that enough of them will hear him and come on over.
The Appalachian vote, well .... not so much. For one thing, how exciting for so many of them to have this much impact in how long? But there are more than enough other voters out here to outweigh them voting against Obama.
I think he can win but what amazes me is the white folks who contiually vote against their own self interests. Ohio in the 2004 election is case in point. Those folks were bleeding factory jobs left and right, find it hard to re-train into another industry and Bush still carried Ohio.
I. DO. NOT. UNDERSTAND.
To our white commenters: Can you help me out here? I know ya'll aren't a monolith either but WTF???????
To our white commenters: Can you help me out here? I know ya'll aren't a monolith either but WTF???????
Well, no, I'm about as clueless as you are. Lucky for you, that's never stopped me from talking outta my ass! So try this on:
It's magic.
That's right, a magic trick works because of misdirection. While a magician is doing a fancy flourish with one hand, his other hand is doing the work.
Republican politicians sound a steady drumbeat abut guns, gays, and religion, all the while quietly empowering corporations and dismantling the Constitution, and they're helped enormously by the (corporate) media.
Some people fall for it. Other people - the ones who engage in critical thinking - vote Democratic.
And no discussion of the 2004 Ohio vote would be complete without mentioning a Republican Attorney General and Diebold ballot machines, but that's been discussed many times over the past 3.5 years on other blogs.
Well, when you start off an answer with "republican voters are hoodwinked idiots, and the critical thinkers vote Democrat" there's really no point in discussing it... but I'll give it a run all the same.
Maybe it's because Republicans have a different concept of self-interest... perhaps they believe that it's in their own self interest to stand or fall on their own merits rather than voting in a leftist nanny state to save their useless, redundant, overpaid, unionized factory jobs?
Naah. They're all ignorant-ass hicks who don't see the sucker punch. Thank goodness we have some critical thinkers who vote D! They can fix everything, if only they can get the yokels in flyover country to stay home so they can elect the right people into government. Then the critical thinkers can stand around grinning while the world turns bright and rainbows shoot out of the President's ass to revive our great nation, direct from Washington D.C.
Yeah. The idea that less government and lower taxes is in a person's self interest is one only an imbecile would think... one day, if enough Democrats get elected, we'll be able to re-educate them all. Then what a great nation this will be!
PS: I'd like to thank the rightwing corporate media at CBS News for their diabolical torpedo of the Kerry campaign. Dan Rather pushing a forged letter claiming Bush was AWOL was a stroke of genius worthy of a Bond villain. Thank goodness the Republican party is manned (white manned?) entirely by morons; who else would believe the forgery was an honest attempt by a corporate media giant to influence a Presidential election leftward, just before the ballots were cast?
One last thought, poopyman: did you ever consider your white Republican co-workers were lying to you because they're afraid of offending you sounding prejudiced, or so they didn't have to listen to you tell them what a bunch of unthinking suckers they are? In an office of 15 people, maybe workplace harmony and getting the job done is more important to the Republicans.
@ Spool32,
Well, I think I'm entitled to a blast at the white man as that's what I am myself. But I did not lash out at whitey in general but at scared and angry white men.
Every family has them, every year at christmas they're the ones that get drunk and start their racist monologues. If your family doesn't have at least one of those racist uncles, grandfathers or nephews you are to be congratulated indeed. The whole bittergate? When I look at some of my family members I think about how Obama may never know how completely right he was... It's beyond ridiculous how scared my grandfather is with the idea of a black president. It's ridiculous because he seldom meets black people, there's not a single person of any possible color in his all-white town.
But I am optimistic: I do really feel that the angry and scared white men (and women, let us not forget about them) are outnumbered these days. Their time's not up yet, but we're getting there.
did you ever consider your white Republican co-workers were lying to you because they're afraid of offending you sounding prejudiced, or so they didn't have to listen to you tell them what a bunch of unthinking suckers they are? In an office of 15 people, maybe workplace harmony and getting the job done is more important to the Republicans.
I've been intentionally offended enough by these guys through the Clinton and early Bush years to know that they don't care whether they offend me or not. Their disgust for Bush is real.
Yeah. The idea that less government and lower taxes is in a person's self interest is one only an imbecile would think
When the Republicans push the idea of less government while the size of government balloons the way it has over the past 7 years and spending has gone through the roof and they STILL think that less taxes is the answer? Yeah, I think they are imbeciles. Sorry.
And if you want to look at right-wing corporate media, look to ABC and Fox, although I'm sure CBS gives them a run for their money. Rather got canned because the documents were forged, but you'll notice that in all the brouhaha everybody ignored the point of his story, which was that Bush was AWOL for a year. And voila! The charge disappeared. Magic!
@ Spool, honestly, sometimes I wonder what planet you're living on. I believe that every bottle must stand on it's own end, but, everyone needs help from time to time. No man is an island. Someone has to give you an opportunity- that's what were really talking about here. This is the reason Barack will win. People are struggling, and I believe the majority of Americans do not want four more years of Bush. Which is exactly what will happen if McGrampa is elected.
I believe Poopyman and Tiffany hit it dead on. I live in the south. While Georgia is no West Virginia, we certainly have our share of the same folk Poopyman and Tiffany mentioned. (Like the idiot who printed those Curious George tee-shirts). I work in an office full of them. It's not magic though, I can't explain it, it's like they live in a bubble. Most that I encounter everyday don't read the paper or watch the news. It's like they're happy being sheep...or maybe they want to leave the plausable deniability option open. If they aren't aware of what's going on, they don't have to accept any responsibility.(Yet they're the first ones hollering about people needing to be responsible for their own situations, go figure.)
One of my co-workers actually told me she voted for Bush because he didn't believe in abortion, and she'd rather have a president that didn't believe in abortion than one who did. When I asked her how an arbitrary person's decision to have an abortion directly affected her personal welfare, she had no answer.(Less government, yeah right--except when it comes to what should be strictly a personal decision-like, abortion.) Meanwhile, this chick's husband can't find a job to save his life. His useless, redundant, overpaid, unionized factory job was shipped to India, and he was shipped to his couch. (And she proudly displays a picture of W in her office.) This is the nonsense Poopyman and Tiffany are talking about. It just isn't logical.
I think we all remember "Fake but Accurate", lol. Nobody in the political blogosphere will forget that one for a long while. The charge disappeared because the "proof" was a forgery. "brouhaha" doesn't begin to describe what should have happened to CBS... but then, I suppose their market share nowadays is the best revenge.
I'll see your ABC and Fox News and raise you MSNBC, NPR, NY Times, LA Times, WaPo, NBC, CNN, Reuters, and the Associated Press. Apart from a couple of notable exceptions, the MSM is left-leaning through and through.
And yeah, the GOP Congress abandoned small government. They're a disgrace to the party... at least with the Democrats you know they intend to spend too much on entitlements and special interest, grow the government, and raise taxes. The GOP is supposed to do the opposite!
@eg: I'm pro-choice myself, but the answer to your question from the pro-life position is "killing innocent children harms the nation morally, and everyone in it, like a cancer slowly destroying the humanity we claim to believe in so strongly".
I don't believe we're talking about removing the safety net... everybody does need a hand up sometimes.. I've needed one myself before. We're talking about binding the entire nation to a system of government dependence.
Tell your friend we're hiring in Texas.. I see the help wanted signs everywhere.
Wow, I actually step away from the comments for an entire day to do some real work and all this happens. Anyways...
@ The ink
The question is...does America want change BAD enough to trust a Black man to give it to them?
Your guess is as good as mine. I hope the answer is yes.
@ stella
Agreed. The youth voting block has to remain energized and engaged for another few months. Will this happen? Who knows?
@ Vladivostok
Good to have your PoV here, stick around please.
@ spool32
I don't have much else to add, but I think media does its consumers a disservice by not exploring all assets of the racial element of this historic campaign.
For all the hokey BS about "opening up a long overdue dialogue on race" that all the major news networks have been pulling lately, precious little time is dedicated to this particular dynamic. I have my opinions, but I still don't know why.
@ poopy/tiff
Good points guys. Cyber Capri Suns to both of you.
@ uppity
c'mon now, you know Obama looks nothing like George. George Bush on the other hand....
If he wins great, if he doesn't win still great. A part of me wants the republicans to clean up their own mess.
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