Monday, December 10, 2007

The Baltimore 9 - Hate Crime Or Simple Beatdown!?!?


[Racial Disparities Week Begins at AB.com]

There's another Jena 6 brewing in Charm City, and as more details emerge, this one's bound to get alot uglier.
As the 26-year-old Baltimore woman beaten on a public bus by nine middle school students was put into witness protection yesterday, conflicting accounts raised questions about whether the attack was racially motivated.

One of the girls charged in the assault told The Sun yesterday that there were no racial overtones in Tuesday's after-school incident on West 33rd Street, insisting that no racial slurs were exchanged.

The victim, Sarah Kreager, told The Sun in a telephone interview last night that she feels race might have played a part in the attack, but she said the events spiraled out of control because the adolescents became caught up in actions of their peers.

MTA police said Kreager, who is white, was punched, kicked and dragged off the bus during the melee, which started about 3 p.m. Tuesday on the No. 27 bus in the 800 block of West 33rd Street.

The nine youths, who are African-American, are all 14 or 15 years old and attend Robert Poole Middle School in Hampden. They were released to their parents and charged as juveniles with aggravated assault and destruction of property.

Maryland Transit Administration officials stood by their earlier statement that they are investigating the attack as a possible hate crime - though they did not release any specifics.
Before I go any deeper on this one, let me go on record: I in no way ever have, nor ever would condone a 9-on-1 attack, and regardless of the motivation here, just like in Jena, LA, there is no justification whatsoever for what these children did. Period. The fact that the victims were both homeless only makes these allegations more heinous.

However, just as in Jena (where there was no hate crime charged), I'm not sure if this one qualifies as a hate crime either. To me, this was just a bunch of very poorly raised kids who would have likely jumped anyone on that bus, regardless of their race.

This ultimately boils down to Kreager's word vs those of the kids. Neither side seems to be particularly credible, when you consider all the facts.
According to a police report, one of the boys kept jumping in front of Kreager and claiming that the open seats on the bus were reserved.

When Kreager finally found a seat, the teens began throwing punches at her and her boyfriend, according the report. The beating continued, police said, even as the eastbound bus lurched to a stop and the driver radioed for help about 3 p.m.

At one point in the Tuesday afternoon attack, police said the teens punched and kicked Kreager, broke down the rear door of the bus and dragged her into the street. The report says she suffered two broken bones in her left eye socket, two deep cuts on the top of her head and other cuts on her neck and back. Her face was bruised and her left eye was swollen shut.

Kreager was taken to Maryland Shock Trauma Center. Her companion, Troy Ennis, also was beaten, police said, but did not require hospital treatment.

But the mother of one of the suspects says the victim, for an unknown reason, provoked the attack by spitting in the face of one of the girls. Beverly Bell, whose son is an eighth-grader at Robert Poole, said the victim's boyfriend then pulled out a knife and threatened the girls, which prompted the boys to attack the man.

Police said the suspects are also believed to have menaced an elderly passenger, who is white, and to have assaulted the bus operator, an African-American male who defended his passenger.

Police said no evidence had been found to back up the claims of suspects' parents that Kreager or Ellis had provoked the incident by spitting or displaying a knife.
Kreager's black eye (seen in the photo) is not the result of the attack, but rather seems to be the reason the kids were picking on her in the first place. The kids say Kraeger spat on her, which escalated into the "fight" in the first place. No racial epithets were apparently uttered. The bus driver (who is black) came to Kraeger's defense and was also beaten. Kraeger is iffy on whether she thinks the attack was racially motivated.

Overall, this is a mess. But one thing seems quite evident: just as in Jena, these kids are indeed guilty of extremely poor judgement and should be held accountable for their actions. I think this case also highlights the sometimes sketchy environment on public transportation, and the quandary many adults face when confronting kids that are acting unruly.

Often when I ride the Metro (DC's subway system), I'm confronted with a train full of rowdy and cursing teens. I don't usually say anything when I get on the Metro and hear schoolkids wildin' out. Does it irk the hell outta me? Sure. But does it irk the heck outta me enough to confront these kids and potentially catch a beatdown? Not so much. Reality is, kids who talk like that can't be corrected, that's a problem that started at home and isn't going to be solved by a rebuke from a stranger on the Green Line. The few instances in which I have actually seen an adult nicely ask the kids the "calm down, please", I've watched these folks serenaded with 4 letter words and taunts. It just ain't worth it. There's an issue of public safety I'd like to see addressed.

Kreager by all accounts was just minding her business, and when confronted about a seat, caught a beatdown. Spin it any way you like, but if those are indeed the facts, these 9 kids don't deserve your support, hate crime or not.

Let's all learn a lesson from Jena, and stop condoning foolishness.

Here's some news footage of the story. And if you've got a strong stomach, go over to the YouTube page and peep some of the outlandish comments on this video.



Interviews raise questions about race's role in bus attack [B'More Sun]

MTA looks at racial role in city bus attack [B'More Sun]

24 AverageComments™:

Anonymous said...

I hope all nine youths are females, since I shudder at the thought of guys doing it to a lady.

A number of guys among black teens did indeed do that to like three young white women in California, and all they got was probation. And there were racial slurs directed at the victims, two of which I believe had to have surgery to repair their faces.

Now, you know I am a Judge Joe Brown fan. I think they need to face him in court. I can only imagine what he say to the youths. He will call them thugs. And if there are males involved, he will attack them for attacking like thugs who attack rather than defend womanhood.

I love the judge for what he does- promote manhood and defend womanhood for these types of reasons. I have seen him do it many times, too.

Btw, my name is Thuyen, since people asked me my name.

I am a conservative Christian. I believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. I believe God made us all in the image of God, and that in Adam, we are all part of one human rsce. Colors come because of how God created us. To be racist against another for that person's color is to insult God by saying God was wrong to create that person black, white, or whatever.

I believe Christ died for all our sins.

I believe that while those like the Jena 6 were heinous in their actions and should do time, I do believe in regards to being sinners, I am no better than they are, nor worse than they are.

domo said...

3 girls, 6 boys. I can't say I'd feel any different if it were all of one or another. It's still sad either way.

Parenting,folks. It's called parenting.

Anonymous said...

I am not ready to blame the parents just yet. I don't know if they had two parent household. Or if their parents spoiled them rotten or are strict parents.

Sometimes parents do the best they can and their children still act bad.

Anonymous said...

And I feel it to be even more horrific when guys do this to ladies (and I don't race as part of equation here).

Six guys to beat up one lady? Sounds about as "gentleman" as the white guys involved in the Megan Williams case.

So utterly sick. :(

Leoninatl said...

Oh, THIS is going to get really ugly. The Right Wingers and White Supremacists are defnitely going to use this case as their "cause celebre" against so-called "Black Racism" that they claim is such a problem.


Those kids should be locked the hell up regardless of what race they are. There was no reason for them to beat that woman they way did.

And their parents should be to for raising such stupid hoodlums.

Anonymous said...

Don't lump right wingers with white supremacists. Right wingers believe in core, moral issues like pro-life, marriage amendment, and school vouchers. White supremacists are anything but believers in real morals.

I am right winger, and I don't believe the real problem is black racism.

The real problem is how the standards of morality in this country has gone down every generation.

Until kids are raised in the fundamentals of moral values and personal responsibility, these things will continue to happen, regardless of race, gender, etc.

The real problem ultimately is the disdain people have for the God that created them in the first place.

Love of God and love of neighbor go hand in hand.

Leoninatl said...

Well, I'm not necessarily lumping the two together, but watching the silliness of Hannity & Colmes, Sean Hannity is always screaming about "Black Racism" all the time, and how he implies that we're the problem.

But Sean Hannity used to associate himself with Hal Turner. Nuff said.

Anonymous said...

I don't consider Hannity to be right-winger. He is at best a moderate, right-leaning.

One can turn around and take the worst extremes of the left and point out left-wingers are like this or that. Do we want to go there?

Black racism exists. Asian racism exists (I know since I am Asian, and I have seen it). And of course, white racism exists.

Human nature does not change from person to person on basis of color.

Kristin said...

This area of the city has always had some racial tensions. I can remember years ago when Black families could not move into the Hampden area. Not using this as an excuse for those students because what they did was just plain wrong.

I.L.L. said...

What happened to this young lady is horrible! I feel for her, but do not think this was a racially motivated crime. Sometimes, people just target someone they say as weak, for no apparent reason.

When I was in high school, we all used public transportation to get to and from school. Lots of kids from other schools decided they thought my school was stuck up. Just wearing my school uniform made me a potential target for harassment and assault.

We watched adults look on, afraid to say anything lest they became victims, too. There really IS no correcting these kids without fear of retribution.

I.L.L. said...

Oh, and I did check out the comments on YouTube. Disgusting, but no longer surprising. Internet anonymity is really exposing some of the true character of America. I just wonder how many of these YouTube commenters I encounter on a daily basis without knowing it.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if this is more of a sex crime more than a race crime, since after all six of the attackers are males, and the person who got the worst of the beating was the lady.

Thuyen

AverageBro said...

@ Thuyen,

They also beat up the boyfriend, taunted an elderly male passenger, and assaulted the male bus driver. Seems like these kids were equal opportunity a$$ kickers.

Toss the book at these little bamas.

DAJ said...

Kreager's black eye (seen in the photo) is not the result of the attack, but rather seems to be the reason the kids were picking on her in the first place. "

It is true that Kreager already had a black eye prior to the attack. However, after the attack, she was rushed to a trauma center, where she underwent treatment for broken eye socket bones and cuts. She also received medical staples in the back of her head! That is, she apparently sustained some additional injuries from the attack.

Isn't it curious how so many of these kids engage in extremely asymmetrical fights? Six-on-one in Jena; and now nine-on-one in Baltimore (possibly Nine-on-two). When I think of schoolyard fights, images of one-on-one or two-on-two occur to me. I never saw such uneven beatings when I was in school.

Can such asymmetrical assaults be considered simple beat-downs? When six or nine people gang up to punch and KICK one person, do you think the perpetrators merely seek to rough up the victim, or do they intend to inflict real bodily harm, if not death?

By the way, it is not a myth that today blacks commit higher rates of violent crimes against whites than vice versa. Let Google be your friend.

Lisa said...

"By the way, it is not a myth that today blacks commit higher rates of violent crimes against whites than vice versa. Let Google be your friend."

Duh, that seems obvious. There are more whites in the US than blacks. Just because a black person commits a crime against a white person or vice versa doesn't make it a hate crime. If all crime was random, the majority of the crimes committed by blacks would be against whites because of the number of whites in the population. The number is smaller for whites because of the population size of blacks. So let's stop with all this Black Racism and how blacks are so much more violent toward whites than whites are to blacks. Let Google be your friend.

deedee said...

hate crime potential aside- i'm not even sure if federal hate crime legislation would reach juveniles- this is some ridiculous sh@t!!! are you kidding me right now??? did i read correctly that the bus driver even got beat down? i mean, what the h@ll?!?!? no sympathy. spit on- alert the authorities. get a knife pulled on you- alert the authorities AFTER RUNNING LIKE H@LL!!

DAJ said...

"There are more whites in the US than blacks...If all crime was random, the majority of the crimes committed by blacks would be against whites because of the number of whites in the population. The number is smaller for whites because of the population size of blacks."

Notice that I stated that blacks commit higher RATES of violent crime against whites. I am not talking about absolute numbers. For those of you who forgot high school math, rates are independent of absolute numbers. That is, blacks PER CAPITA commit more violent crimes against whites than vice versa. This means that if the U.S. black and white populations were equal in size, blacks would still lead whites in interracial crime. The following link, with data from the Department of Justice, is very informative and alarming:

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime#United_States

cinco said...

Another example of 'children' choosing the wrong path and not wanting. To deal with the consequences that result. If they're not 'turned around' soon they may become 'repreat' offenders- but at their ages, perhaps it's already too late.

ALL WHITE NATION said...

Racial separation is the answer, period.
It will happen, sooner or later, peacefully or violently.

AverageBro said...

@ALLWHITE,

Racial separation is the answer, period.
It will happen, sooner or later, peacefully or violently.


Lovely. Just lovely.

I guess AB.com has truly arrived when we start attracting Internet idiots like this.

Seattle Slim said...
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Seattle Slim said...

ALL WHITE NATION said...
Racial separation is the answer, period.
It will happen, sooner or later, peacefully or violently.

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If we are so evil per your profile, then why the hell are you here?

And you're a disgrace to the Army and Military Intelligence. Yeah f*ckhead I'm a Russian linguist too.

Seattle Slim said...

I say screw those kids. It sounds like by all accounts she was provoked and she retaliated and they couldn't handle it. SCREW THEM!

Anonymous said...

"Kreager's black eye (seen in the photo) is not the result of the attack, but rather seems to be the reason the kids were picking on her in the first place." Her eye damage wasn't the result of the assault? That's a ridiculous statement.

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